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Post: #36256
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If it is true that there will not be a State Gold next fall and that the highest CYSA-N playing divisions for this age group will be three regional Gold divisions, then how would you like to see CCSL bracket the Bay Region (districts 1-4) Gold division?
While 6-team Gold and Silver Elite divisions would be ideal for determining final standings (and potential promotion and relegation determinations), my preference for this age group would be for an 11 or 12 team Gold division.
My thinking is that a larger group will (a) give more competitive games to the teams not named MVLA Lightning or Mustang Fury and (b) recognize that there is no obvious competitive distinction between teams 4 through 11 or 12.
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Post: #36276
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I wont go into who should be where but i'll pose a question to you. How do they determine who goes where? If it's mostly based on your fall league record then you may have some teams in gold where as if it's on more recent tournaments/state cup that is coming up then it may be a different set. I hope they make that clear sometime soon. Personally i think what have you done for me lately approach should be taken as frankly if you have proved you are a much better team since last fall with good tournaments results i think that should have greater pull but knowing CY they will look at the fall league more.
I agree that they should go with a big gold division an even a big silver elite as long as they competition is legit.
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Post: #36278
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Quoted from: zona4eva, March 15th, 2010 17:39 GMTHow do they determine who goes where? If it's mostly based on your fall league record then you may have some teams in gold where as if it's on more recent tournaments/state cup that is coming up then it may be a different set.
In an established playing league (i.e., one with a decent history of results), IMO, it would be fair to base decisions on past league results. (I'm not saying that would be the best way, but it would largely remove subjective decisions about trying to predict future results or trying to determine whose tournament results are achieved with guest players who won't be on the fall roster.) The more objective one can make it, the more predictable the league will be for the following year for parents trying to assess the landscape.
Of course, CCSL is not an established league, but there are some historical results to look at. For the Bay Region for example, there is a history of GSSL and Abronzino results. Blending those results into a final grouping would not be easy unless it's done with a quota from each district (which would be very wrong, IMO). So, I hope they look to all available data to make those bracketing decisions for the first year.
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Post: #36280
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Year-1 seeding will be easy for the top 3-5 teams/age-gender. In each and every age group the top of the top is self evident and non-controversial.
The trouble (and debate) will come at the margin between the top & second bracket. There are just too many teams that are too close together. Start with pure league results - take the league winners from each district - and adjust as needed by other measures of relative strength. The only really controversial part here would be how to (re)integrate any District-6 teams returning to CYSA. An 8 team top bracket and 14 game schedule would be perfect (but the clubs that sponsor fall tournaments would cry foul over that as CYSA would have to abandon the idea of 'tournament breaks' to get 14 games in before the HS break).
CCSL just needs to set up a seeding committee and have at it. Will it be perfect - no. Will it be controversial - guaranteed yes. They just need to do it and live with it (you can't please everybody...).
Over time it will sort itself out. If your team is U13 the mistakes will sort themselves out over the next few seasons. If your team is U16 there is less chance for that to happen before they age out. Such are the necessary growing pains of trying to improve.
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Post: #36281
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All of you have good points. If they don't take any tournaments into affect much then i would say State Cup and fall league would be the main factors to look at. That being said, as we know teams improve over 6 months time and sometimes loss players then become weaker. That should be looked at if you want the "right" teams in each division. They just need to figure out and publicize what the criteria is so everyone knows.
Mustang: If no State league the first year like rumored then the district 6 teams will be irrelevant to where teams in abronzino and gssl will be seeded. Unless those teams choose to play down in the District1-4 region of the league which could happen since the top teams for the most part are there.
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