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justgowithit - March 09th, 2012 00:03 GMT


Anyone know why so many players from DeAnza Force girls u-16 are looking for other teams? I heard coach is not serious about winning and a bunch of girls on the team are on team due to politics and taking away playing time from serious div 1 players. So several of the top players are looking elsewhere. Could be a great opportunity for other teams to pick up quailty impact players!!
sokkerlife - March 09th, 2012 16:06 GMT


Y.V, What about tryouts? Don't they have tryouts? De Anza's a big club, aren't they pulling in some quality players from other clubs?  Who's replacing the players that are leaving? How many have, or are leaving. I heard that some div 1 players have been out there that can replace some of the old ones. Didn't the coach pull the trigger, or did they just not except an offer? This must suck for the serious players, and parents on the team that want to play at the next level.
justgowithit - March 09th, 2012 17:45 GMT


No serious players are going to try out. Starters are top notch but subs are lower tear players and level of play drops big time. Coach won't cut and replace with better players - he is not serious about winning..
Hooked002 - March 09th, 2012 23:24 GMT
Edited by Hooked002 on March 09th, 2012 23:26 GMT



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Coach won't cut and replace with better players
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Next year for a current U16 team is U17, which means high school juniors and seniors.  That's the last year for some and the next-to-last year for the balance.  If a player wants to be on a team with a different attitude toward roster management that's perfectly okay by me, but I find it very difficult to criticize a coach or club that wants to be loyal to players in their last year or two of youth soccer.



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he is not serious about winning
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What's there to win for a U17 ECNL team in the B-Flight?  A conference title?  Promotion to the A-Flight for the really-who-cares-about-winning-U18 year?  Again, if a player wants to be on a team with a different attitude toward winning that's perfectly okay by me, but I find it very difficult to criticize a coach or club that wants to put development of its currently rostered players ahead of winning at the U17 or U18 age.
all in - March 11th, 2012 17:54 GMT


Hooked, that's the first time I've seen you giving a team a jab. You are right though, De Anza just dropped out of State Cup, they're at 20/36 of the ECNL B-flight.  What's there to win?  
How many players have they lost? If you lose a few good players, the level of play will diminish, and others may follow. The only problem is, where will they go? Most teams at U16 have 18+ players.  It's almost too late to be looking for a new team. It will be interesting to see how they do in their next events.
Hooked002 - March 11th, 2012 19:45 GMT
Edited by Hooked002 on March 11th, 2012 19:47 GMT



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Hooked, that's the first time I've seen you giving a team a jab.
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Wow!  That wasn't my intent.  I was not suggesting that the team could not win stuff, just that the nature of ECNL minimizes the amount of things that a team can actually win.  The B-Flight characterization was not a comment on the team's quality, but a comment on the fact that only ECNL A-Flight teams are allowed to play for the ECNL championship.  Couple that with the general nature of the U17 year for a serious team (where the focus is largely college recruiting for juniors or college preparation for seniors) and it simply doesn't leave much stuff to make winning that stuff a compelling reason to cut players that may have been on the roster for years.  As I stated above, if a player wants a different situation, that's okay by me.  After all, this is not a right/wrong discussion.  As always, the best situation is one with like-minded players/parents/coach/club.   
sokkerlife - March 17th, 2012 00:19 GMT


I was told that the coach released a good defender today. Does anyone know if this true? Why would he be releasing players in mid season?
zona4eva - March 19th, 2012 01:12 GMT


I heard 1 player went to Lightning but not sure about the rest. Hopefully it doesn't unravel over time as it was a quality team not too long ago.
The real shimpy - March 19th, 2012 01:14 GMT
Edited by The real shimpy on March 19th, 2012 01:15 GMT

I heard the mother is the problem of the player looking at MUSTANG
all in - March 19th, 2012 02:28 GMT




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I heard the mother is the problem of the player looking at MUSTANG
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Wow that's brutal! How many players have left now?
zona4eva - March 19th, 2012 02:35 GMT


I heard about the player looking at mustang but of course have no idea what the problem is. I know she's a quality player though.
justgowithit - March 19th, 2012 06:20 GMT


Over 4 impact players were cut by coach = one was picked up by MVLA and teh other is a great defender probably going to Danville. Others oing to rage. Problem is thecoach won't cut B type players for various reasons = oneplayer father owns private jet and takes coach with him. Other players have been on team since they were 7 and coach will not cut even though they are B type players as no other quality team will pick them up. IN fact, team is flying to New Jersy on two private corporate jets - too many politics.... B type players taking away playing time from impact players and level of play drops significantly when he subs and inpact players must work twice as hardto compensate.... Surprised De Anza puts up wth this
zona4eva - March 19th, 2012 06:35 GMT


Want to say i'm surprised but at DA it doesn't shock me. Sounds like a tough situation. If all the above is true then the DOC should be stepping in and doing the right thing. This was DA's only good ecnl team left too. The rest are decent but not top teams. Shame.
flash-42 - March 19th, 2012 15:31 GMT
Edited by flash-42 on March 19th, 2012 15:32 GMT



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Over 4 impact players were cut by coach = one was picked up by MVLA and teh other is a great defender probably going to Danville. Others oing to rage. 

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My DD joined Rage about two weeks ago, but I haven't seen any De Anza players working out yet. Tell them to come over, we only had 13 healthy at yesterdays game. 
Toneib - March 19th, 2012 15:46 GMT




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------ QUOTE from  justgowithit, March 19th, 2012 06:20  GMT ------
Over 4 impact players were cut by coach = one was picked up by MVLA and teh other is a great defender probably going to Danville. Others oing to rage. 

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My DD joined Rage about two weeks ago, but I haven't seen any De Anza players working out yet. Tell them to come over, we only had 13 healthy at yesterdays game. 

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I guess you had enough healthy to beat Fury though.  
The real shimpy - March 19th, 2012 16:02 GMT


"Over 4 impact players were cut by coach"

Three players left the team. SM found out one of the four (the defender) was at a recent MUSTANG scrimmage so he cut her because of the parent (mother). 

I do not know about the private jet airplain, but the club should look into what is happening over there. The situation sounds dirty to me.   

 



justgowithit - March 19th, 2012 17:10 GMT


SM only cut bc jeff President from DeAnza club made him cut the player after he found player scrimmaged with Danville while still on DeAnza roster. DeAnza filing formal protest with ECNL for rule violations against Danville and the player. Mother is aready bad mouthing DeAnza and conflict of interest going on at team. It should't be about how much money the family has to secure a player a spot on the team.... Then again probably having the rich parents with the b players paying scholarships for some of the impact players - who knows? But it is definetly a mess.....too bad...
Hooked002 - March 19th, 2012 21:16 GMT




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Other players have been on team since they were 7 and coach will not cut even though they are B type players as no other quality team will pick them up.
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If you've had a player on a team for nine years, IMO, now's not the time to cut them just because they're not as good as your starters.
Hooked002 - March 19th, 2012 21:21 GMT




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------ QUOTE from  justgowithit, March 19th, 2012 06:20  GMT ------
Over 4 impact players were cut by coach = one was picked up by MVLA and teh other is a great defender probably going to Danville. Others oing to rage. 

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My DD joined Rage about two weeks ago, but I haven't seen any De Anza players working out yet. Tell them to come over, we only had 13 healthy at yesterdays game. 

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I guess you had enough healthy to beat Fury though.  
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Congrats to Rage for obtaining such a significant result. 
Hooked002 - March 19th, 2012 21:28 GMT




------ QUOTE from  justgowithit, March 19th, 2012 17:10  GMT ------
DeAnza filing formal protest with ECNL for rule violations against Danville and the player.
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The ugly side of US Club Soccer, where what's best for the players can be secondary to what's best for the club.  IMO, try to create a club that players don't want to leave, but if a player does want to leave, just let them go.
zona4eva - March 19th, 2012 22:42 GMT


Agree. This isn't pro sports where players are on contract and are forced to stay. If someone wants to leave for any reason then let them be. Where problems occur is when that family then tries to drag 2-3 others with them. Then it gets ugly. Best of luck to the team staying strong.
Mustang Dad - March 20th, 2012 04:11 GMT
Edited by Mustang Dad on March 20th, 2012 04:12 GMT



------ QUOTE from  justgowithit, March 19th, 2012 17:10  GMT ------
DeAnza filing formal protest with ECNL for rule violations against Danville and the player. 
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So what "rule" was supposedly broken?  USSF rules for youth players expressly permit this, and US Club Soccer has no rule forbidding a youth player from scrimmaging with another team.  Playing in a match sanctioned by US Club Soccer, perhaps, but a scrimmage?  Don't be silly.

If DeAnza's coach is really pursuing this then he's way over-the-line.
MVLA Mom - March 21st, 2012 17:03 GMT


It's been way too long since I've been on here. Glad to see so many familiar names   Anyway, I'm scratching my head a little.  I remember all the drama and crazy posting back when we were U9, U10, U11.  Weren't we all a little nutty about our kids and who was going where and who beat who?? What I've noticed now that my daughter drives herself and the college stuff is already in process, well it's time to sit back and enjoy the show.  Even on our own team, it's not eating at me if a player joins or one leaves.  I'm really not concerned about what's going on with other teams' player movement.  I go to the games and enjoy watching a high level of soccer. I enjoy watching a game that it's all about the players.  At 16, we can probably all agree that our daughter's aren't really listening to us especially if it's giving soccer advice.  I don't see the same coach or parents screaming at refs. It's much more laid back. 

For the case of player movement. I bet none of us knows the REAL story on any player's choice to leave.  The player knows, the parents know and the coach knows.  That's it.  The argument for the player is that they aren't pros tied to a contract and should be allowed to move. The argument for the coach is that they held a roster spot for that player and devoted time to melding that player into their system.  "Loyalty" is a value that we may all have at vastly different levels. Is a coach expected to be loyal to players on a team simply because they have been in the program for xx years? Is a player expected to be loyal to a team and stay even though they may not want to play at the same level anymore, other interests, maybe not getting play time because they are the 18th player, whatever?  Let the girls play. Let's hope no teams have to fold.  Enjoy these last years of club soccer.
MVLA Mom - March 21st, 2012 17:04 GMT




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------ QUOTE from  justgowithit, March 19th, 2012 06:20  GMT ------
Over 4 impact players were cut by coach = one was picked up by MVLA and teh other is a great defender probably going to Danville. Others oing to rage. 

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My DD joined Rage about two weeks ago, but I haven't seen any De Anza players working out yet. Tell them to come over, we only had 13 healthy at yesterdays game. 

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I guess you had enough healthy to beat Fury though.  
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Impressive result, Rage. Congrats. Not many teams in the entire country can say they beat Fury.
sokkerlife - March 22nd, 2012 04:11 GMT


I see that some of the DeAnza players that had left are on the Mustang roster now.

http://rankings.gotsport.com/rankings/team.aspx?teamid=146085

Toneib - March 22nd, 2012 04:28 GMT




------ QUOTE from  sokkerlife, March 22nd, 2012 04:11  GMT ------
I see that some of the DeAnza players that had left are on the Mustang roster now.

http://rankings.gotsport.com/rankings/team.aspx?teamid=146085


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IMO, there isn't too much to read into regarding the roster. Revolution is not the ECNL team, and is missing several players this coming weekend. The De Anza players are most likely guest players only, but only time will tell.
knowitall - March 22nd, 2012 04:57 GMT




------ QUOTE from  sokkerlife, March 22nd, 2012 04:11  GMT ------
I see that some of the DeAnza players that had left are on the Mustang roster now.

http://rankings.gotsport.com/rankings/team.aspx?teamid=146085


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Sokkerlife what do you gain by putting up a link so that people can identify the girls in which you are talking about?  What are you 12 years old?  Because actions such as this are totally inappropriate and wrong. 

Toneib, you are a global moderator? and allow this?  Shame on you too!
Toneib - March 22nd, 2012 05:53 GMT




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------ QUOTE from  sokkerlife, March 22nd, 2012 04:11  GMT ------
I see that some of the DeAnza players that had left are on the Mustang roster now.

http://rankings.gotsport.com/rankings/team.aspx?teamid=146085


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Sokkerlife what do you gain by putting up a link so that people can identify the girls in which you are talking about?  What are you 12 years old?  Because actions such as this are totally inappropriate and wrong. 

Toneib, you are a global moderator? and allow this?  Shame on you too!
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knowitall, when rosters are made public by the teams then they are fair game to scrutinize. If you have a problem with public rosters, take it up with the coach/manager of the team.

And yes, I am a GM. My main concern is naming youth players on this forum, not policing available rosters posted on the web.  I can't censor information that is readlily availalble to those who know how to search, sorry! I did not name names, only reported probable guest players.
Hooked002 - March 22nd, 2012 06:24 GMT


Toneib doesn't need my support on this issue, but I'm giving it any way:  Thanks for all your good work as GM on this board.

Now, if you could get the ages to match the Unumbers . . . .  
sokkerlife - March 22nd, 2012 06:24 GMT


I wasn't implying that going to Mustang was a bad thing, I just had noticed that two of the players went to Mustang, and one went to MVLA. I think that it shows that it's not a bad thing to leave a team, and it worked out for everyone. If you're not happy with a team, it's time to move on.  http://rankings.gotsport.com/rankings/team.aspx?teamid=22125


sokkerlife - March 22nd, 2012 06:36 GMT
Edited by sokkerlife on March 22nd, 2012 06:37 GMT



------ QUOTE from  sokkerlife, March 22nd, 2012 06:24  GMT ------
I wasn't implying that going to Mustang was a bad thing, I just had noticed that two of the players went to Mustang, and one went to MVLA. I think that it shows that it's not a bad thing to leave a team, and it worked out for everyone. If you're not happy with a team, it's time to move on.  http://rankings.gotsport.com/rankings/team.aspx?teamid=22125

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I also believe that DeAnza filing formal protest with ECNL is a joke! Let the kids play!
Toneib - March 22nd, 2012 13:52 GMT




------ QUOTE from  Hooked002, March 22nd, 2012 06:24  GMT ------
Now, if you could get the ages to match the Unumbers . . . .  
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Believe me I am trying!! But the Administrator has those powers, I do not.  
Mustang Dad - March 22nd, 2012 20:18 GMT




------ QUOTE from  sokkerlife, March 22nd, 2012 06:24  GMT ------
I wasn't implying that going to Mustang was a bad thing, I just had noticed that two of the players went to Mustang, and one went to MVLA. I think that it shows that it's not a bad thing to leave a team, and it worked out for everyone. If you're not happy with a team, it's time to move on.  http://rankings.gotsport.com/rankings/team.aspx?teamid=22125



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Its my understanding that these players a guesting at the LV showcase this weekend, a non-ECNL event (as is allowed under USSF, US Club and ECNL rules).  The GotSoccer roster probably got updated because LV Showcase uses GotSoccer for its management system.  Nothing about GotSoccer represents any kind of "official" roster for any team.

People need to relax a bit on the "I've got proof the players moved" thing.  Mustang doesn't even hold their tryouts at this age for another couple of weeks.  These players may or may no choose to try out.  The team may or may not agree to invite them onto the team.  The players may or may not decide to accept that invite.  But its new season tryouts...there is no scandal to expose.
justgowithit - March 23rd, 2012 00:07 GMT


The coaches hold all the power - they tell you anything to get your kid to committ and then when they have you .... well enough said.
BTW - the word is the DeAnza player going to Mustang is pretty good but the mom is over the top.... Been through 5 teams in the last 7 years and is never happy. Feel sory for all the parents at Fury.. plus family expects 100% full ride scholarship even though dad makes great money as Lexus mechanic. At DeAnza player got a free ride, kid played all the time, coach was really good to them and parents still not happy......... Asked to try out at MVLA and coach turned them down due to mom even though MVLA was looking for defenders........imagine that.
knowitall - March 23rd, 2012 00:30 GMT




------ QUOTE from  justgowithit, March 23rd, 2012 00:07  GMT ------
The coaches hold all the power - they tell you anything to get your kid to committ and then when they have you .... well enough said.
BTW - the word is the DeAnza player going to Mustang is pretty good but the mom is over the top.... Been through 5 teams in the last 7 years and is never happy. Feel sory for all the parents at Fury.. plus family expects 100% full ride scholarship even though dad makes great money as Lexus mechanic. At DeAnza player got a free ride, kid played all the time, coach was really good to them and parents still not happy......... Asked to try out at MVLA and coach turned them down due to mom even though MVLA was looking for defenders........imagine that.
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Wow you must either know this family in some way, or you must be SM!  you are just upset because this player left....shame on you for not wanting a player to improve thier skills, but we all know how you feel about that...
Toneib - March 23rd, 2012 05:41 GMT




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Wow you must either know this family in some way, or you must be SM!  you are just upset because this player left....shame on you for not wanting a player to improve thier skills, but we all know how you feel about that...
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knowitall, can we lay off the "shame on you" antics. My guess is that all of the users of this forum are way too old to be scolded by an anonymous person.

Facts are facts. Two current, former, soon to be former, or insert label here players are guest playing with a non-ECNL Mustang Revolution team that is short handed this weekend at the LV Showcase. Read into it whatever you choose to read into it. As Mustang Dad posted earlier, Mustang tryouts haven't even occurred for the fall U17s yet so only time will tell if these two, or any other two, will be on the U17 Fury or U17 Revolution roster.
knowitall - March 23rd, 2012 06:06 GMT


Toneib, I am shocked and surprised that you are scolding me!  you an anonymous person, I think i am way too old for this, no? 

I completly agree with MustangDad.  guestplayers probably, tryouts not yet happened, i get that...

It is "justgowithit" who i believe is out of line.  what does he gain by dragging this players personal information onto the forum?  talking about the mom, talking about their finances. Oh, but he didn't name any names so its ok, and i guess this is all public knowledge, so this is ok too. why bash somebody for leaving a team?  from what I understand SM knew before hand that this player was not going to stay for another season....it was no surprise he was told by the parents ahead of time!! hello!!!  and for your information "justgowithit" when was the last time you asked a mechanic how much money they made?  that $150 an hour you pay to get your car fixed goes to the company, not even 1/4 of it goes to pay the mechanic...
it's sad that people such as "justgowithit" and "the real shimpy" have to berate people..why?  to make themselves feel better..
MVLA Mom - March 23rd, 2012 14:34 GMT


"The coaches hold all the power"Really?  We entrust coaches to teach our players how to play and to give them the skills they need to succeed. We pay the fees (or potentially have scholarship) we can talk to the other parents. Parents can pull their player for any number of reason - or for NO reason. If a coach is really bad (UNETHICAL OR ILLEGAL OR INSANE) parents have a forum to discuss it. If you are going to question a coach about playing time or other players, then maybe you should be coaching your player.  Maybe you should try your hand at at.  I haven't heard of a coach that wants to lose a game.  A coach that has a poor record probably won't be able to recruit very well, right? So it will come back to bite them in the rear. 

"...mom is over the top"
My observation of parents at U16 and older is that there is less involvement (other than college selection).  As an example, just look at how the posts on this board at U16 and older significantly drop off.  Go watch State Cup games or Surf Cup games at the older ages.  You don't see the hot headed parents berating the refs, you see parents sitting in chairs, sipping their coffee, enjoying the match (the "nirvana of soccer"). Many clubs now have chaperones for away travel and parents don't even go or if they do they don't stay at the same hotel. A coach or DOC can set rules for spectator behavior. It happened at my daughter's high school and I can tell you from freshman year to now, I have NOT seen any poor parent behavior. It is a known fact that it won't be tolerated.  I know the parent you are speaking of and I have never personally witnessed any bad behavior (saw her at 23 games this year).

This kind of goes back to my last post... we don't know what goes on behind closed doors. We don't know the dialogue between a coach and the player/parent. It is all speculation on our part.  Let them be.  Enjoy YOUR daughter. Support YOUR daughter.  SM is going to be around for a long time as he has respect in the soccer community and has had a successful track record. If you don't want your child to play for him then don't.  I bet the players on his current team love their team. 

...and on family finances
This economy sucks. You don't know what family expenses are on top of what someone makes. Haven't you heard of people who own multi-million dollar homes who are struggling to make their mortgage? Appearances aren't everything. It's poor taste to judge a family's financial situation based on a job, a house, a car they drive, or where their kids go to school. All kids should be able to play soccer and not be priced out. Soccer is ridiculously expensive.  I am glad that scholarships are made available to families in need. I know that people perceive MVLA as having "rich kids" but there are players on scholarship. There is a process in place within the club where a family submits their tax returns and income/expense summary.  Not sure if all clubs do this, but I would guess they do to varying extents. At the end of the day, it is the player that is playing NOT the parent that you may not like. 
MVLA Mom - March 23rd, 2012 14:48 GMT




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  Asked to try out at MVLA and coach turned them down due to mom even though MVLA was looking for defenders........imagine that.
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You obviously don't know MVLA's coach.  The roster has been set and full. There was a loss of one player from the last Fall and that spot was filled.  EM does not want to manage a roster of 22. EM is also one of the most soft-spoken people I have ever met (and I have known her for 10 years now).  She would never tell anyone, except perhaps her husband, that she didn't take a player because of the mom. One of the MVLA defenders who had been sidelined due to injury after Surf Cup returned to action for high school and is playing awesome. Even when she was out, MVLA had no shortage of defenders...and success winning FWRL Fall League with the roster they had.  I think the story about MVLA looking for defenders just doesn't hold water.  The loss last Fall was at a-mid and the new player is an a-mid. 

So where would the rumor come from about "coach turned them down due to mom".... Oh I see.  It was the parents, right?  The mom was so distraught about EM telling her this that she went around and told other people that the coach rejected her dd because of her. Really?  If that actually happened, I think a parent would keep it on the down low.  I am concerned that justgowithit is tapping phones or something.  How would you even know the details of this personal conversation, if it even happened?
justgowithit - March 23rd, 2012 23:41 GMT


Luv all the comments - I am a single mom with no opinion one way or the other. However, I do live within my means, I understand how to budget and I always pay my way. If people are living in multi million dollar homes and driving expensive cars and can't meet their obligations - they need to downsize and live within their means and stop mooching - Entitlement attitudes are just wrong!
Secondly, I have many freinds who are parents/coaches and I have made observations. The information I shared is coming directly from them. MVLA mom seems a little preturbed about her precious MVLA players and her coach (which I have the upmost respect for). Why don't you ask the MVLA parents who's players played for St. Francis High School about the SF coaches calling out this particular person last year due to all the negativety by the mom. Pattern?- Enough Said! Thirdly, word from DeAnza families is they feel bad for the player but consensus is player should have been cut 6 months ago due to negativity of mom. Quite happy now and team can move forward with positive energy! Imagine- a Free ride, player played the entire game, coach that was nothing but good to them, college exposure to 100+ college coaches.... What more can a family ask for? Yet with all these wonderful things happening still Ungrateful ..... who is shameful now?
It is ashame about certain parents living vicarisouly through their kids. It's not like there is big future after college for a woman soccer player.......
justgowithit - March 23rd, 2012 23:55 GMT




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Toneib, I am shocked and surprised that you are scolding me!  you an anonymous person, I think i am way too old for this, no? 

I completly agree with MustangDad.  guestplayers probably, tryouts not yet happened, i get that...

It is "justgowithit" who i believe is out of line.  what does he gain by dragging this players personal information onto the forum?  talking about the mom, talking about their finances. Oh, but he didn't name any names so its ok, and i guess this is all public knowledge, so this is ok too. why bash somebody for leaving a team?  from what I understand SM knew before hand that this player was not going to stay for another season....it was no surprise he was told by the parents ahead of time!! hello!!!  and for your information "justgowithit" when was the last time you asked a mechanic how much money they made?  that $150 an hour you pay to get your car fixed goes to the company, not even 1/4 of it goes to pay the mechanic...
it's sad that people such as "justgowithit" and "the real shimpy" have to berate people..why?  to make themselves feel better..
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NO one is berating anyone here except for Know it all - well lets do some simple math-  $150 x .25 = about $40 per hour plus benefits = $83,200 per year plus overtime puts a union mechanic at over $100K per year. That seems like a pretty good living... enough said!

Was the player not going to stay due to parents insisting on coach cutting the Rec type players so team would win win win? This opens up an interesting discussion: Should Club coaches cut players they have coached since they were youngsters if they are rec type players or is it fair to the rest of the Club team to keep the rec players on?
zona4eva - March 24th, 2012 00:34 GMT


Being a "rec" player and being at the bottom of a solid ECNL team is a whole different ball game. The coach can do what he or she feels is right for the team. If someone doesn't like it, then leave. Too many people want to "ruin" that team on the way out and that's where it gets ugly.
knowitall - March 24th, 2012 02:06 GMT




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Luv all the comments - I am a single mom with no opinion one way or the other. 
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Ok SM
anybodysgame - March 24th, 2012 02:44 GMT




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Luv all the comments - I am a single mom with no opinion one way or the other. However, I do live within my means, I understand how to budget and I always pay my way. If people are living in multi million dollar homes and driving expensive cars and can't meet their obligations - they need to downsize and live within their means and stop mooching - Entitlement attitudes are just wrong!
Secondly, I have many freinds who are parents/coaches and I have made observations. The information I shared is coming directly from them. MVLA mom seems a little preturbed about her precious MVLA players and her coach (which I have the upmost respect for). Why don't you ask the MVLA parents who's players played for St. Francis High School about the SF coaches calling out this particular person last year due to all the negativety by the mom. Pattern?- Enough Said! Thirdly, word from DeAnza families is they feel bad for the player but consensus is player should have been cut 6 months ago due to negativity of mom. Quite happy now and team can move forward with positive energy! Imagine- a Free ride, player played the entire game, coach that was nothing but good to them, college exposure to 100+ college coaches.... What more can a family ask for? Yet with all these wonderful things happening still Ungrateful ..... who is shameful now?
It is ashame about certain parents living vicarisouly through their kids. It's not like there is big future after college for a woman soccer player.......
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why do you care?  If you have no opinion one another then maybe you shouldn't say anything!  your posts are very pointed and angry, you are obviously a DeAnza parent. If anything, you should be happy that this family has moved on.  Great!  your kid can play as much as she wants! maybe you can get some therapy and get over it...
Mustang Dad - March 24th, 2012 03:05 GMT


The real shame is when people find pleasure coming onto a public message board hell bent on publicly tearing down a 15 year old girl and her mom.  What's your motive here, gowithit? Does it somehow make you feel better about yourself?
MVLA Mom - March 24th, 2012 15:25 GMT




------ QUOTE from  justgowithit, March 23rd, 2012 23:41  GMT ------
  The information I shared is coming directly from them. MVLA mom seems a little preturbed about her precious MVLA players and her coach (which I have the upmost respect for). Why don't you ask the MVLA parents who's players played for St. Francis High School about the SF coaches calling out this particular person last year due to all the negativety by the mom. 
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I highly doubt that you are hearing anything directly from MVLA. Again, if it wasn't the MVLA coach that told you she didn't take the player due to the mom ... then it's just heresay. I think you meant "perturbed".  Yeah, no. Not me. This is a good team and you're not gonna drag our players or our coach into any grudge you have against this mom. Oh...darn, I almost forgot... I am a St. Francis parent. In fact I am the parent-manager.  The player was not on Varsity last year and had no beef with the coach. She was an outstanding JV player and was given team awards for her play.  Justgowithit - I think you need to find another hobby.  Your fact digging skills stink. Maybe a job for the National Enquirer?  Your mind can run wild with the stories there. 

Just leave this player/family alone.  You may recall that a family was taken to Santa Clara County Superior Court for harrassing a family on this forum.  Be careful what you say.  Why don't you turn your abundance of energy on positively contributing to this board and talking about the great games you watched this weekend?  Be  the first to post scores or let us know how your daughter's team performed.  Stay constructive not  "destructive".  Enjoy the game.
zona4eva - March 24th, 2012 17:36 GMT


In 2 years all of the girls will be in college and hopefully playing. Enjoy the last 2 years watching them play youth soccer and don't worry about all this other nonsense that has been discussed. All the players/teams that are discussed are very good. Let them be great and enjoy the games!
justgowithit - March 24th, 2012 18:44 GMT


For what's it worth I am not harassing the player or the family- this your opinion and everyone is entitled to their opinions as am I. I have repeatedly said there are two sides to every story. It's ashame we can't express our opinions on here without being attacked. I wish the family and the player nothing but the best. Let's move on to some other issues.
Tamarindo - March 27th, 2012 19:36 GMT


SM and the Force will sort it out. His '92 team currently all play D1 college ball and most contribute significantly. As I remember, that team had a brutal merge as well and there was some fall out as well.

Once the dust settled and some were moved off the team, they went on to 5 state cup finals, 1 surf cup final, 2 West Regional finals and a national championship.

Hang in there De Anza, it will work out for you, especially if the parents are helpful versus disruptive.
zona4eva - March 27th, 2012 21:46 GMT


DA will be just fine. That being said, the 92 team is a whole different ball game. That team was scary talented and this current team isn't near that level so tough to compare. Most good teams go through some sort of "drama" and they are still good because they find a way to get through. I expect this to be the same situation.

Your last sentence is the big one. It's important everyone is on the same page and trying to reach similar goals.
The real shimpy - March 27th, 2012 23:53 GMT




------ QUOTE from  Tamarindo, March 27th, 2012 19:36  GMT ------
SM and the Force will sort it out. His '92 team currently all play D1 college ball and most contribute significantly. As I remember, that team had a brutal merge as well and there was some fall out as well.

Once the dust settled and some were moved off the team, they went on to 5 state cup finals, 1 surf cup final, 2 West Regional finals and a national championship.

Hang in there De Anza, it will work out for you, especially if the parents are helpful versus disruptive.
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I cannot see this happening with the remaining group.  They attracted no one to their tryouts, and have not replaced the players that have left.  At U17 age group with MVLA, Santa Rosa coming on board in ECNL..DEANZA will be in the bottom group!
Soccer Friend - March 29th, 2012 18:16 GMT


DA is a good recruiter, not a developer of talent/teams.  With MVLA as a viable ENCL option DA will not be able to improve.
justgowithit - March 29th, 2012 18:19 GMT


Agreed - 92 DeAnza team was stacked with unbelievable talent. DeAnza will have a competitive team and still has a lot of talent. However, MVLA is stacked with talent and it is going to be tough to beat them, especially with DeAnza having several key players out with injuries.
zona4eva - March 29th, 2012 19:14 GMT


Agree on both last posts. I don't think anyone will touch lightning at this age. They are just too talented. DA will still be a quality side and compete well I think as JGWI stated.
Tamarindo - March 30th, 2012 03:53 GMT


Force '92 did have talent, but with the rash of major injuries to three impact players, they did well due to a lot more than just recruiting. That group did "improve." I doubt any Nor Cal teams can achieve what they did by just showing up and playing on game day cause the recruiting was so good.

The U-16 Force will be in a good situation as SM has a speed dial full of college contacts, and just as importantly,  credibility with those coaches. Force being an ECNL team, those players will receive exposure regardless of what flight they are in.

Message to the Force families: It is not about winning trophies too much anymore. It is about player development and exposure to college recruiting and you are in a great situation for that.

As for people who post such personal stuff on this thread, I would warn this is a small community of players, parents and coaches. Be careful as to not disrupt your family's credibility in this community as it could possibly lead to a loss of opportunities for your DD, which would be really unfortunate.



Soccer Friend - March 30th, 2012 14:46 GMT


threat?
soccer hottie - March 30th, 2012 17:50 GMT



As for people who post such personal stuff on this thread, I would warn this is a small community of players, parents and coaches. Be careful as to not disrupt your family's credibility in this community as it could possibly lead to a loss of opportunities for your DD, which would be really unfortunate.

Paradoxical?
Tamarindo - April 03rd, 2012 04:42 GMT


Congratulations to Force U-16 with three big wins at the latest ECNL gathering at the Surf Cup polo fields.  Maybe it was due to all of that "recruiting."

I know I will regret keeping this topic alive, so sorry in advance.
soccer hottie - April 03rd, 2012 17:01 GMT




------ QUOTE from  Tamarindo, March 30th, 2012 03:53  GMT ------
Message to the Force families: It is not about winning trophies too much anymore. It is about player development and exposure to college recruiting and you are in a great situation for that.


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Congratulations to Force U-16 with three big wins at the latest ECNL gathering at the Surf Cup polo fields.  Maybe it was due to all of that "recruiting." 

I know I will regret keeping this topic alive, so sorry in advance.

When teams are losing it's all about player development. When teams begin winning (regardless of competition) focus shifts to winning - 
Paradoxical... LMAO
zona4eva - April 03rd, 2012 17:28 GMT


Congrats on the wins but keep in mind 2 of those 3 teams had a combined ecnl record of 3-3-10. Beating McLean was a quality result without question. It's always about player development and winning right Ok, maybe not! I've always said part of developing as a player especially at u16/17 ages is learning how to win. No college coach wants players who haven't been taught how to win
justgowithit - April 04th, 2012 05:14 GMT



Deja Vu - Is DeAnza is back on track? 
barbie - April 05th, 2012 20:06 GMT




------ QUOTE from  justgowithit, April 04th, 2012 05:14  GMT ------
 
Deja Vu - Is DeAnza is back on track? 

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Only time will tell... Interesting to see how the players who left do... Best of luck to all
anybodysgame - April 06th, 2012 22:18 GMT




------ QUOTE from  justgowithit, April 04th, 2012 05:14  GMT ------
 
Deja Vu - Is DeAnza is back on track? 

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Another player (the 5th thus far) has left DeAnza...
zona4eva - April 06th, 2012 22:25 GMT


Are these all starters? I know 2 have left who are good but not sure on the rest. Hard for any team to lose 5 starters and still be at the similar level. Did most of these kids go to top teams? For their sake, hopefully.
soccer hottie - April 06th, 2012 22:46 GMT




------ QUOTE from  Tamarindo, March 30th, 2012 03:53  GMT ------
The U-16 Force will be in a good situation as SM has a speed dial full of college contacts, and just as importantly,  credibility with those coaches. Force being an ECNL team, those players will receive exposure regardless of what flight they are in.

Message to the Force families: It is not about winning trophies too much anymore. It is about player development and exposure to college recruiting and you are in a great situation for that.


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It don't matter as SM is magical and all the girls will be playing College soccer regardless of skill level. 5 players leaving allows other girls to step up and make the team better. Based on rumors/opinions several girls on the team are rec type players and are on the team bc SM coached them from youngsters. Isn't that what caused better players to leave. The other side is if one of the mom's was negative on Force then wouldn't team chemistry improve by her leaving? If you have lots of talent on a team don't all the players shine? Or does drama overshadow? I guess time will tell - will teams that pick up impact players but with drama improve or go down hill? will DeAnza with mixture of impact and rec players but no more darma improve or go doen hill? How many college scouts will attend games? Intersting case studies for future teams - do's and don'ts.....and have nots and who knows anymore......
zona4eva - April 07th, 2012 02:13 GMT


"All girls will be playing college soccer regardless of skill level". An interesting statement. Last time I checked you need some SKILL to play at the college level but I could be wrong...but i'm not a college coach so maybe we should ask them if you need skill or not.
justgowithit - April 08th, 2012 00:47 GMT


"Its magical"
The real shimpy - April 08th, 2012 01:29 GMT


SM = Car Salesman.
The real shimpy - April 29th, 2012 15:42 GMT


Fury 2-1 victory over Deanza Force in ECNL Match yesterday.
soccer hottie - April 30th, 2012 17:58 GMT


I heard De Anza was dominating the game and up 1-0 in the first half with several key players out with injuries. Fury scored their goals when subs came in... Wasn't this one of the reasons family left De Anza and went to Fury - several players on De Anza are rec players and should not be playing Club? Going to be interesting controversy......
all in - April 30th, 2012 21:16 GMT




------ QUOTE from  soccer hottie, April 30th, 2012 17:58  GMT ------
I heard De Anza was dominating the game and up 1-0 in the first half with several key players out with injuries. Fury scored their goals when subs came in... Wasn't this one of the reasons family left De Anza and went to Fury - several players on De Anza are rec players and should not be playing Club? Going to be interesting controversy......
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Give it a rest! Your kid's on a new team now. Let it go!
barbie - June 13th, 2012 17:38 GMT


Been a few a months since the fall out. How has everything turned out?
Are DeAnza players excelling? Has DeAnza team recovered? Are players who left at a better place?Interesting case study about loyatly to Rec players on team since young age/politics vs. loyalty to and attracting impact players.. Is it really all about winning? Does having a stacked team make all the players look better and hence easier to be recruited? 

DeAnza not picked for Surf cup. Can't attract top quality players. Player at Danville who left DeAnza only playing half the game and some parents not happy with mom... Deja vu..... Seems like all parties involved would have benefited if they would have worked things out.....Lessons learned for other teams
defensefirst - June 15th, 2012 20:38 GMT
Edited by defensefirst on June 15th, 2012 20:38 GMT

BARBIE no one cares what Deanza force is doing. SM behind the scenes broke up a very good PAC team with his illegal recruitment of those players.  That part of your story will never come out. But that is old news.  Who cares about the new Danville player.  Good for her  for leaving.  She is playing half on a better team, will get more exposure from universities than playing fulltime for your team.  Seems to be the topic from many of you force supporters. Worry about your own child on that team. what I have seen your defenders are kick ballers. Only one player would play on most of the elite teams, and she has not developed.  deanza played weak opponents for most of those wins in ECNL, and dont deserve to play Surf. 5th place post (2nd to last place) in the division.  What do you expect, winning attracts players. 
defensefirst - June 15th, 2012 20:42 GMT


BARBIE no one cares what Deanza force is doing. SM behind the scenes broke up a very good PAC team with his illegal recruitment of those players.  That part of your story will never come out. But that is old news.  Who cares about the new Danville player.  Good for her  for leaving.  She is playing half on a better team, will get more exposure from universities than playing fulltime for your team.  Seems to be the topic from many of you force supporters. Worry about your own child on that team. what I have seen your defenders are kick ballers. Only one player would play on most of the elite teams, and she has not developed.  deanza played weak opponents for most of those wins in ECNL, and doesnt deserve to play Surf. 5th place post (2nd to last place) in the division.  What do you expect, winning attracts players.  SURF is for ELITE teams..Not FORCE
barbie - June 15th, 2012 23:25 GMT


Wow. First of all I am not associated with DeAnza Force. I find this an interesting case study based on two different philosophies. I can see both sides of the ball on this one... Not sure which one I agree with or agree with some of both sides.. My understanding was same parent who caused all the greif at DeAnza was the same parent who caused the PAC break up and is now having issues at danville. Pleass enlighten us if this incorrect... I thought several of the DeAnza defenders are highly recruited college soccer players, so they can't be that bad?  My post was not meant to demean anyone just to study/understand the different philosophies. Seems other players who left DeAnza are doing great! Seems DeAnza players who are still on team are getting college exposure/ scholarships and the drama is over. Does winning really matter with ECNL? Do you really need to attract elite players? Should we respect SM for staying loyal to the girls and families he has known for most of the girls lives despite their soccer skills? or is he as so many described a used car sales man? Is it better to have an average team with balance and no drama than en elite team with lots of drama? Does winning lead to scholraships or do the college coaches really care? Or is the winning all about the parents living vicariously through their kids? I could keep going on, but what a fascinating club soccer adventure.
defensefirst - June 16th, 2012 04:49 GMT


BARBIE:  Winning does matter in ECNL or they would not keep standings of wins and losses. Players want to win games, and want to play on a team that competes. 15th place in the B bracket of ECNL will not sell any prospective players to come there.  Highly recruited defenders, again I will say one is worthy. nothing against the others..just an opinion.  Until you have offers on the table, then you are highly recruited.  More wins lead to more coaches come to your games.  danza is still considered a lower level team. 2 years in ECNL and still cannot get into the top five. 

A history lesson for you, the player that left deanza for danville, left PAC for danville not deanza.  she joined later.  the parent was not liked because of being outspoken.  players left for various reasons, but the bottom line they left because they were not happy with the coaches.  the PAC was a very talented team, and after winning the Nor Cal Championship the team disbanded.  I posted many comments of my opinions about the situation in past blogs

Will danza get players to college? of course.  Many for academic .  Very difficult to get D1 scholarships if your marginal.  only 14 scholarships to give out per D1 program.  do the math. Looking at the GOT soccer roster I will guarantee the two former PAC players will get one, and the defender 

I dont buy your not a deanza parent, you are too opinionted..but that is my opinion.
barbie - June 18th, 2012 22:46 GMT


DEFENSEFIRST:  Not a DeAnza parent yet, But considering having 2 kids various ages join. Lots of rumors floating out there and just trying to figure out what makes sense.. Two different coaching philosophies about winning. My understanding is Club teams should have the highest calibar players playing at the highest level of competition to improve. Should be based on merit of players and not on personal relationships/politics. marginal players do  not help their team mates become better and in most cases do not help the elite players improve. The better your team mates the better a player looks and hence recruited... However, there is somethng to be said about a coaches loyalty to parents/kids who he has coached since they were youngsters... I guess it all comes down to which philosophy you subscribe too and how good your kid is. Seems like "out spoken" parent should either put up or shut up - probably why they keep changing teams.. Anyway I found the blogs interesting.. and this thread will really help our family in deciding in which direction to go.
The real shimpy - June 19th, 2012 12:58 GMT


That parents kid committed to Oregon. So it doesnt matter how many teams she left for in the end they got there cake.
barbie - June 20th, 2012 23:13 GMT


I guess congrats are in order! I have a dumb question? Why would anyone committ as an incoming junior? Would it not make sense to wait and evaluate several schools and then make an informed desicion. If one school makes an offer others should follow.... Or am I misssing something? How is Oregon academically? It seems as if athletics should be used in conjunction with grades as a way to get into a highly rated college. Anyway, congrats on the commitement!!
all in - August 30th, 2012 17:37 GMT


Looks like De Anza's having a good open premier league so far!

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