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Quoted from: 20sDad, December 10th, 2012 22:29  GMT
The problem is that “close on paper” will undoubtedly come back to haunt some teams.  

I’m really not a fan of this year’s state cup format.  For obvious reasons, not following the seeding order is annoying.  But, beyond that, I’m not a fan of the whole snake pattern seeding or the fact that it’s set up for only one team to advance from each bracket.  If this were in place last year, one of the two finalists would have never even made it past state seeding.


Maybe for "State" ranking, they could do a Round of 16 to include all runners up; and since State Quarterfinals aren't elimination rounds for highest seeds, they could do the same thing if the bracket expends to 16.
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20sDad December 13th, 2012 20:32 GMT Print this post
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I think 4 flights of 4 with the top 2 from each flight advancing, or even last year’s format of 6 flights with two wildcards would be fine.

There is really no reason for 32 teams to be competing to get into the top 8.

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NorcalSoccerFan December 13th, 2012 22:11 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: 20sDad, December 13th, 2012 20:32  GMT
I think 4 flights of 4 with the top 2 from each flight advancing, or even last year’s format of 6 flights with two wildcards would be fine.

There is really no reason for 32 teams to be competing to get into the top 8.


The problem with this is that you reward teams that (1) begin the season with higher rankings and therefore draw an easier first round, and (2) that are playing well early on--during the first round . . . and not the teams that develop and play well later in the season, during the second round.  There are any number of teams in the 17-32 range after the first round that might make it into the top 8 or top 16 after the second round.  I don't know what the happy medium is, but I don't think the solution is to narrow the field to the early season leaders and exclude the teams that develop and improve from making into the top 8.
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20sDad December 13th, 2012 22:27 GMT Print this post
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Is there really a team out there that has made that sort of a jump since the beginning of the season?
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NorcalSoccerFan December 13th, 2012 22:56 GMT Print this post
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With so many of the second round still yet to be played, it is hard to tell.  However, in the U11 group one of the Mustang teams (the third team, which started out ranked in the 40s) made it into the top 32 (as the 32 seed) with only one win in the first round, but has now won the first two games it has played in the second round.  They face SRU next so it is unlikely they will win all 3 and make top 8, but they at least have a chance to play for it, and they will most likely move into the top 16 with 2 wins.
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mtnlady December 13th, 2012 23:16 GMT Print this post
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San Juan white u13g is a good example of team that is doing much better at the latter part of the season than at the beginning. I think they were ranked 56th to start, had a couple of rough tournaments but have come on strong since then. They are in a bracket that they could pontentially advance out of as well.

I agree cocnerning narrowing things down too quickly based on early season rankings. I also agree that what bracket you are in can make a big difference. Get an easier bracket and 2Ws is quite possible. Get a tough bracket and you could go 0-1Ws pretty easy. Not narrowing it down too quickly allows some flexibility.
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20sDad December 13th, 2012 23:30 GMT Print this post
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It actually takes away flexibility by only allowing one team per flight to advance.
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NorcalSoccerFan December 14th, 2012 00:14 GMT Print this post
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This message was edited by NorcalSoccerFan on December 14th, 2012 00:15 GMT

Then maybe narrow it down to 16 after the second round (top 2 in each flight), and play one extra game before quarterfinals.  The winners are top 8 and the losers are 9-16.  Then move into quarters and proceed like this year.
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20sDad December 14th, 2012 20:53 GMT Print this post
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I’m just not convinced that there is a team outside of the top 16-24 capable of winning it all to justify extra games or a format with so little margin for error when it comes to advancing.
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eastbaysoccer December 14th, 2012 21:43 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: 20sDad, December 14th, 2012 20:53  GMT
I’m just not convinced that there is a team outside of the top 16-24 capable of winning it all to justify extra games or a format with so little margin for error when it comes to advancing.


Absolutely not 20's.  The winner will be from the original top 10.  Unfortunately some really good teams will not make top 8 and the result will be some very non competitive  1st round final games.  

In the NCAA hoop tournament, seeding is based on a body of work rather than what you do a three games in a prelim round.  

The way this may shake out is the best teams could be playing in 9-16 group!!!!!!
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