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bajjio - January 31st, 2007 01:53 GMT


We are not affiliated with a big club and it seems to be a requirement at this point for Super Y.  Things have been changing on this scene a lot lately and I'd like to hear some opinions about why it should be a serious consideration.
Lurker - January 31st, 2007 19:00 GMT




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We are not affiliated with a big club and it seems to be a requirement at this point for Super Y.  Things have been changing on this scene a lot lately and I'd like to hear some opinions about why it should be a serious consideration.
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Super Y-League is focused totally on soccer clubs and not on individual teams (no matter how good they might be). With Super Y, USL appears to be trying to establish a national system of "elite" soccer leagues for "elite" soccer clubs. the vote is still out on how successful this venture will actually be...

Specifically regarding your question, if you are an independent team (in a club/league that does not have a Super Y-League presence), then you will not be able to participate. If you join a club that is linked in to Super Y, then you will no longer be an independent team (in all senses of that word). I would suggest that the NorCal spring league would provide your team with a good alternative to Super Y, at least at the younger ages. It, like Super Y, is a spring league. It also provides a wider scope of teams to play (from all over NorCal, not just your local district). 

There appears to be a change taking place with regard to how youth soccer is structured (locally and nation-wide).  More and more, the elite players and teams are migrating to the larger clubs. For these clubs, the extra administrative headaches of Super Y make sense. They want to compete on the national stage (not just as teams, but as clubs). There is a lot of money and prestige (and egos) involved.
soccer doctor - January 31st, 2007 19:18 GMT


I recently read somewhere that Nor Cal and Super Y were in talks about the Nor Cal spring league becoming a relegation back-up to Super Y.  While this is an interesting idea as Lurker pointed out Super Y is a club league.  Each club must meet certain minimal standards to stay part of the league.  I like the idea of relegation/promotion as it would allow the stronger teams from non-Super Y clubs to compete while relegating the weaker Super Y club teams to a more appropriate level.  This would strengthen Super Y to the elite status it desires.  The draw back is that Super Y is not cheap and the cost may be prohibitive for a club with only one team competing.
Soc Doc
bajjio - January 31st, 2007 22:49 GMT


So, a team can't negotiate a membership with a club that is SY certified and remain independant?
Soccer Friend - January 31st, 2007 23:02 GMT


bajjio

Sure a team can negotiate a membership assuming the club does not have a team in your age group or you could approach the club to coach the Y league team and hold a tryout and form a team for Y League or you can have the players who want to particiapte in Y league tryout for a roster spot on a Y Leage team and play for their CYSA team.
Flash - January 31st, 2007 23:18 GMT


At this time I believe that only San Juan and River City/CASA Boca Jr's are affiliated with Super Y in our immediate area. I don't think that San Juan does this but I know that CASA has, in the past, if they do not have a team in a certain age group, (which isn't very often) fill in with a team outside of the club so that the "club" has all age divisions covered.

If they hadn't already, the team would have to register US Club in addition to CYSA. Then they would play Super Y under Boca but still be part of their own club for CYSA tournaments and league. Now the Super Y season can run April to December or later if you have to make up games. Gets kinda hard when you start running into CYSA league and such in the fall. If you miss or forfiet games Super Y has many hefty fines built into the rules. But to answer your question, it is possible.
Lurker - January 31st, 2007 23:19 GMT




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So, a team can't negotiate a membership with a club that is SY certified and remain independent?
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Teams have negotiated to play Super Y for other clubs in the past. Two that come to mind are girls teams. One switched completely over (registering for CYSA-N also) and one only played Super Y. With US Club registration, there is a lot of flexibility. It all depends on the needs of the clubs involved and the personal relationship between coaches, coaching directors, etc. I think Soccer Friend laid the options out pretty well.
Soccernut - February 01st, 2007 02:01 GMT


The real question is why would you pay a $1000 bucks for crummy league?  Oops I forgot their iisway too much administrative non-sense?
Fines? 

It is the WHY? league afterall......
bajjio - February 01st, 2007 03:25 GMT


But, that's my question. Is the competition better? Are our kids going to be better off playing more tournaments and ODP vs Y.  I suppose if I lived in the east bay where the league competition is better, I wouldn't care.
Soccer Friend - February 01st, 2007 04:46 GMT


Having had multiple kids in Y at various age groups the competition is worth the fees.  Plus Y League will continue to improve so get in now while there is still room.
Lurker - February 01st, 2007 17:51 GMT


bajjio, just a quick question... This team you are talking about (merger of Cosmos and Tigers) will be U13 next year, right? If that's the case, then you are still one year away from having to make any decision about Super Y. That's because the age divisions for Super Y are last year's and not next year's. So for the upcoming spring season, the U13 age division will actually be next year's U14 teams. Considering that the Super Y season can bleed over into the summer months, it does get a bit confusing.

And as for local Super Y clubs, the only one that might make sense for you (as an independent team) would be USA 17. They do not register teams for CYSA-N play (their teams are spread out through various CYSA-N leagues in the surrounding area). They only register teams for US Club/Super Y. Also, they already have a number of teams already that appear to be semi-independent.
bajjio - February 01st, 2007 19:18 GMT
Edited by bajjio on February 01st, 2007 19:20 GMT

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quote=Lurker,1170352315]bajjio, just a quick question... This team you are talking about (merger of Cosmos and Tigers) will be U13 next year, right? 
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Right, but there will be two teams



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If that's the case, then you are still one year away from having to make any decision about Super Y. 
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Right again, we are just checking out options in an effort to avoid further shuffling/player movement.



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And as for local Super Y clubs, the only one that might make sense for you (as an independent team) would be USA 17. 
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Yes, we spoke with them, seems the only option.  Thanks for your help
Lurker - February 01st, 2007 20:01 GMT




------ QUOTE from  bajjio, February 01st, 2007 19:18  GMT ------


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And as for local Super Y clubs, the only one that might make sense for you (as an independent team) would be USA 17. 
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Yes, we spoke with them, seems the only option.  Thanks for your help
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Sure, no problem...

It's kind of tricky ground, but it sounds like you've thought it through pretty well. Good Luck to your two teams moving forward.
a_soccerfan - February 14th, 2008 17:30 GMT




------ QUOTE from  Flash, January 31st, 2007 23:18  GMT ------
At this time I believe that only San Juan and River City/CASA Boca Jr's are affiliated with Super Y in our immediate area. I don't think that San Juan does this but I know that CASA has, in the past, if they do not have a team in a certain age group, (which isn't very often) fill in with a team outside of the club so that the "club" has all age divisions covered.

If they hadn't already, the team would have to register US Club in addition to CYSA. Then they would play Super Y under Boca but still be part of their own club for CYSA tournaments and league. Now the Super Y season can run April to December or later if you have to make up games. Gets kinda hard when you start running into CYSA league and such in the fall. If you miss or forfiet games Super Y has many hefty fines built into the rules. But to answer your question, it is possible. 
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From looking at the Super Y website it doesn't appear that either San Juan or Boca are continuing their affiliation with the Super Y league.

http://supery.uslsoccer.com/teams/index_E.html
Soccer Friend - February 14th, 2008 18:02 GMT


Based on the level of play and now some clubs are playing their younger age teams up or their B teams in Y League there is not a lot of value to travel and incur the expenses associated with particpating in Y League.  If they do not change the level of play Y league wil disappear from Nor Cal
Lurker - February 14th, 2008 18:22 GMT


It seems like there is quite a bit of turnover this year...

2008 Super Y Clubs:

Cal Cougars
Cal Odyssey
De Anza Force
DVSC
Juventus Sports Club
North Cal Lamorinda United (NEW -- Girl's Only)
San Francisco United Soccer Club (NEW)
San Ramon Soccer Club (NEW)

Apparently dropped off from last year:

San Juan SC
USA 17 Academy
Santa Cruz County Breakers
Mustang SC
San Francisco Seals
Capital Athletic Soccer Academy
Santa Rosa United (Boys only)
Soccernut - February 15th, 2008 02:39 GMT
Edited by Soccernut on February 15th, 2008 02:42 GMT

SUPER Y is a super rip off.  Clubs are trying to purchase prestige.  Only Placer has "Prestige".  I like the club, hate the name.

Y League is money pig that feeds the USL which is a for profit business.  I am all for profit.  The product value is zero.  The North American Fizzle is not worth hotel cost, much less that air fare.  I have been there twice with teams that went deep.  Some really week teams get back there. 

You will get better games playing scrimmages with teams a year younger when it come to th "league games".

No one with half a brain would stay for more than a year two.  BOCA, SAN JUAN AND  PLEASANTON are not all wrong on this on.
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