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Blues99 December 28th, 2012 18:52 GMT Print this post
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Comparing ODP to PDP is comparing oranges to apples.  I agree with Hooked that having multiple unconnected training/identification programs is a good thing for the players and hopefully they will take advantage of these programs, but I still don't know how someone can compared one to the other.  

my understanding is that PDP is free, which is a huge benefit, but ODP at a district or state level(if you are not traveling) is a minimal cost.  
I disagree with 20sDad that ODP will start dying starting with the 98s.  If PDP wants to take over ODP they have many years of work to do.  My daughter only attended one PDP training and that was in order to get an invitation to the MTC sessions.  I'm not very familiar with the PDP program so I'm not going to speak negative of something I'm not familiar with.  This is my daughter's 4th year doing ODP.  This year her state team coach is a Santa Clara assistant coach.  She has three coaches for her Regional IV pool, the head coach at AZ st, head coach at New Mexico st, and the assistant coach at Berkeley, and the main director for Region IV is the head coach at Santa Clara.  Almost at every age group at all regions you  have college coaches involved with ODP teams.  The Region IV Championships will be attended by many coaches from around the country.  Last year my daughter was invited to the ODP National Camp and there were a lot of college coaches there.  As long as ODP keeps drawing college coaches to coach or attend these events I don't see the program dying off.  Is ODP as strong as it was 5 years ago?  Most likely not because of there are more choices but it's still a good venue to be indentify.

PDP is heading in the right directions but my understanding is that so far only a few states have this program.  Even if NorCal and SoCal have a strong PDP program they need for the majority of other states to build similar programs as well so they can have events were they will attract college coaches.  the MLK in Vegas next month is a nice tournament/vacation but I don't see a single team on the u16 list that will attract coaches.  

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Blues99 December 28th, 2012 18:55 GMT Print this post
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Just curious.  
1. Is NorCal covering the PDP traveling expenses for LV?  
2. Are they traveling as a team or are the parents responsible to get the players there?


One thing that ODP needs to work on is making their events affordable to everyone.  
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20sDad December 28th, 2012 20:42 GMT Print this post
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This message was edited by 20sDad on December 28th, 2012 20:43 GMT

The programs are comparable in the sense that both have the same basic objective and seem to be competing for players.  Iíve mentioned the parallel between PDP/ID2/NTC vs. ODP and CYSA State vs. NorCal Premier state cup participation as I think itís an accurate comparison.  

Also, my argument is not based solely on PDP vs. ODP, but rather that there are multiple programs offering similar (if not better) services than ODP for significantly less cost.  I agree that PDP in NorCal itself isnít the end all/be all of developmental/identification currently but it is picking up steam where as ODP here is withering along with its CYSA counterpart.  More than that, PDP is leading into other programs that are more established.  As Iíve already stated, the three players from our club that have had national team camp invites over the past 1-2 years have done so outside of the ODP process.  Just through basic familiarity with these ages groups being discussed, ODP isnít attracting the majority of top players and isnít utilized at all by some of the larger clubs.  Hence my inference that it is starting to die off with the 98ís and below.   How long coaches will continue to be at the events if the best players arenít thereÖor, even if the coaches are there, will it matter if the player isnít a top talent?

I do think people lose focus of the fact that PDP and ID2 are not NCP programs but rather US Club programs and the ECNL versions far exceed our local version in terms of player talent, quality of coaching, and player exposure.  And while ECNL comes at a cost, those programs do not represent the additional cost that comes with PDP.

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20sDad December 28th, 2012 20:48 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: Blues99, December 28th, 2012 18:55  GMT
Just curious.  
1. Is NorCal covering the PDP traveling expenses for LV?  
2. Are they traveling as a team or are the parents responsible to get the players there?


One thing that ODP needs to work on is making their events affordable to everyone.  


Parents pay for travel PDP pays for lodging, etc.

Details haven't been release but I'm assuming that the girls will have to travel as a group for logistical purposes.
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soccerwest January 03rd, 2013 00:25 GMT Print this post
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The ODP Schedule is out:

http://regioniv.usyouthsoccer.org/odp/odp_championships/

I did not see the Cal North 99 girls in there ?
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Blues99 January 07th, 2013 03:24 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: soccerwest, January 03rd, 2013 00:25  GMT
The ODP Schedule is out:

http://regioniv.usyouthsoccer.org/odp/odp_championships/

I did not see the Cal North 99 girls in there ?



99s are going.  some teams were left out so they are revising the schedule.  It will probably be posted Thursday night or Friday before the first games.
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Gryphons Dad January 09th, 2013 01:33 GMT Print this post
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99 Cal North Girls ODP Vegas schedule:

Fri 4:00 Cal North vs Washington
Sat 1:00 Cal North vs New Mexico
Sat 5:30 Cal North vs Arizona
Sun: Semi Finals and Finals
The proceeding was the opinion of Gryphon's Dad, and does not reflect the views of Gryphons Soccer Club or it's affiliates.
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soccerwest January 09th, 2013 04:16 GMT Print this post
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00 Cal North Girls Schedule:

Friday
Cal South vs. Cal North
Nevad vs. Cal North

Saturday
Arizona vs. Cal North
Washington vs. Cal North
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mvlafan January 09th, 2013 20:07 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: Blues99, December 28th, 2012 18:55  GMT
Just curious.  
One thing that ODP needs to work on is making their events affordable to everyone.  


CYSA District 2 is paying 100% of the expenses for all CYSA District 2 players attending the ODP Championships.  District 2 recently put in place this ODP scholarship program to cover the cost of state and regional events for all CYSA District 2 players.  ODP is a great program - and no cost to CYSA District 2 players.
Go MVLA!
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Norcaldad January 09th, 2013 20:43 GMT Print this post
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Anyone have any predictions?
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