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I have a daughter who will be entering the U12 age group. She is a talented player and is interested in trying out for San Juan's pre-ENCL team. I have some concerns about the ENCL program in general because from what I've read ENCL teams can have huge roster sizes (25 or 26) though only 18 max can participate in a game. That means that several girls wouldn't even travel to the games at all. I've also read that the substitution rules for ENCL leagues are different in that once you're subbed out you are out. I'm not sure that this applies to pre-ENCL but apparently for 2013 that's the new rule for ENCL. It used to be that you were only out for whatever half you were subbed out in, in 2013 it's changed in that you're out for the whole game, just like the pros. I can't imagine how that could possibly be good for development at U12 and U13. I guess if you are one of the top players who got a lot of playing time it could be great, but what if you're in the bottom tier? I'd really like to hear from anyone who has a daughter playing in an ENCL league. Pros, Cons? Is it worth it?
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Post: #53936
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All of these different programs are just a big marketing campaign lead by the various soccer clubs/associations as a means to drive more business to them. Soccer is a business.....we want your money. What true percentage of ECNL, etc players, actually get college sports scholarship funds vs the other players that get it, or what percentage get called up for the women's national teams or future professional teams vs other players?
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Quoted from: Kidsatplay, February 21st, 2013 00:25 GMTwhat percentage get called up for the women's national teams
Yesterday, US Soccer announced the 24 called into the next U15 GNT camp. 19 ECNL; 5 non-ECNL. So, one can get there without being ECNL.
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Quoted from: GKTK, February 21st, 2013 01:35 GMTDoes ENCL actually have a different training curriculum
No. Each club can pretty much do whatever it wants. Any non-ECNL club can choose to do the same things. The guideline for which ECNL is best known is playing fewer games on a weekend and on the year.
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There are lots of acceptable way to approach youth soccer. So, my advice: find a team that shares the same attitudes. If the thought of flying across the country at any age strikes one as crazy, don't join up with folks that consider that really cool or an acceptable evil. If one feels it's too soon to direct one iota of thought to playing in college, don't join up with fiolks that expect everybody on the roster to want that ending and to be working toward it. IMO, it's fine to change one's attitude as time goes by and circumstances change, but the present will be a lot happier if one is surrounded by like-minded folks.
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Post: #53946
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Quoted from: GKTK, February 21st, 2013 00:15 GMTI have a daughter who will be entering the U12 age group. She is a talented player and is interested in trying out for San Juan's pre-ENCL team. I have some concerns about the ENCL program in general because from what I've read ENCL teams can have huge roster sizes (25 or 26) though only 18 max can participate in a game. That means that several girls wouldn't even travel to the games at all. I've also read that the substitution rules for ENCL leagues are different in that once you're subbed out you are out. I'm not sure that this applies to pre-ENCL but apparently for 2013 that's the new rule for ENCL. It used to be that you were only out for whatever half you were subbed out in, in 2013 it's changed in that you're out for the whole game, just like the pros. I can't imagine how that could possibly be good for development at U12 and U13. I guess if you are one of the top players who got a lot of playing time it could be great, but what if you're in the bottom tier? I'd really like to hear from anyone who has a daughter playing in an ENCL league. Pros, Cons? Is it worth it?
The 12s and 13s will not have those large rosters of 25, should be 16-18. 14s and above "can" have large rosters but I believe they typically fill the roster with "b" team players. The 12s and 13s will not have a full ECNL schedule (which include national events). I've heard the 12s and 13s are trying to arrange league play with the Nor Cal ECNL clubs which would make sense. 12s and 13s are not told to implement "college style" subbing.
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February 21st, 2013 19:31 GMT |
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Post: #53952
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Quoted from: Hooked002, February 21st, 2013 02:05 GMTThere are lots of acceptable way to approach youth soccer. So, my advice: find a team that shares the same attitudes. If the thought of flying across the country at any age strikes one as crazy, don't join up with folks that consider that really cool or an acceptable evil. If one feels it's too soon to direct one iota of thought to playing in college, don't join up with fiolks that expect everybody on the roster to want that ending and to be working toward it. IMO, it's fine to change one's attitude as time goes by and circumstances change, but the present will be a lot happier if one is surrounded by like-minded folks.
Amazing how soccer has become $occer.
The fees to play on most of these ECNL teams are exorbitant. It's ridiculous and cost prohibitive for many (heck, probably most) families. I've gone off on this diatribe before, but since when does your family having deep pockets supersede actual soccer talent? So many players with great talent are left behind by this model of soccer development.
I expect that you could forge a more financially sane path to college play by getting your daughter on a non-ECNL team that challenges her and plays in a league with a high level of competition. The eventual goal would be to be on a team that travels to at least 1-3 events where she could get exposure by the time she's a U14 or so. You don't need ECNL to do all this but you have to forge your own path and be very mindful that your player gets the development she needs without the "golden path" paved by ECNL.
As for ECNL at U12, that's just clubs raking in your money. No one is looking at your player for recruitment at that age and spending that amount of money just to keep up with the Joneses is a dubious endeavor at best.
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For our club it is our understanding that rosters will be from 16-18. The 7-9 players added to the ECNL roster thereafter may be invited to practice w the team but may or may not be asked to the games/events These 7-9 players will spend the majority of their time on the second team. I really don't see them getting much time unless someone is injured or has a travel conflict.
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