| 92admin - August 29th, 2012 17:16 GMT |
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Any other coaches or parents from current U10 teams here on the forum? Hoping to see some good conversations develop from this group over the next few years.
This is my second go-around with one playing college ball. She was a '92. The '92 forum was pretty active most of those years. I'd like to see this one be the same. I'll have to get the word out that this exists. 
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| Toneib - August 29th, 2012 18:50 GMT |
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------ QUOTE from 92admin, August 29th, 2012 17:16 GMT ------
Any other coaches or parents from current U10 teams here on the forum? Hoping to see some good conversations develop from this group over the next few years.
This is my second go-around with one playing college ball. She was a '92. The '92 forum was pretty active most of those years. I'd like to see this one be the same. I'll have to get the word out that this exists.
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If we could get the administrator to change the age groups, there might be a lot more conversations going on in the correct forum! 
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| 92admin - August 30th, 2012 20:41 GMT |
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As a lowly assistant moderator I don't have that power. But you're right!
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| eastbaysoccer - August 30th, 2012 22:17 GMT |
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The SRU Thunder a prety good team. How is it that SR is putting out so many good teams? It's not like you are drawing talent from the outside, right?
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| 92admin - August 31st, 2012 17:25 GMT |
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Edited by 92admin on August 31st, 2012 17:31 GMT
------ QUOTE from eastbaysoccer, August 30th, 2012 22:17 GMT ------
The SRU Thunder a prety good team. How is it that SR is putting out so many good teams? It's not like you are drawing talent from the outside, right?
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Our girls just lost to them in the Mustang Stampede final 3-4. Yes, very talented team. Their center mid has great ball skills, the left striker has superb speed, and they have several kids who can really touch the ball. Plus two big, strong kids at D.
I should add that their coach exhibited the most sportsmanlike behavior in a post-game awards ceremony I have ever seen, sending a different player to shake each of our girls' hands as medals were handed out. Really a pleasant and welcome gesture and so rare in our hyper-competitive age.
Santa Rosa's usually one of the stronger clubs. Maybe not at all age groups but they usually have a few teams that do very well. I don't know if they do much SoCal travel, though, which might limit their ability to keep their top talent as they get into the olders.
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| Top_Red - September 01st, 2012 00:27 GMT |
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My daughter is a 01 she plays for a sac united red. I'm new to this site and have not posted because not sure the proper section to post. I do enjoy reading the topics on this forum though.
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| Top_Red - September 01st, 2012 04:16 GMT |
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Oh she is a u11 and there team is a top 8 team
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| 20sDad - September 01st, 2012 06:06 GMT |
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------ QUOTE from 92admin, August 31st, 2012 17:25 GMT ------
------ QUOTE from eastbaysoccer, August 30th, 2012 22:17 GMT ------
The SRU Thunder a prety good team. How is it that SR is putting out so many good teams? It's not like you are drawing talent from the outside, right?
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Our girls just lost to them in the Mustang Stampede final 3-4. Yes, very talented team. Their center mid has great ball skills, the left striker has superb speed, and they have several kids who can really touch the ball. Plus two big, strong kids at D.
I should add that their coach exhibited the most sportsmanlike behavior in a post-game awards ceremony I have ever seen, sending a different player to shake each of our girls' hands as medals were handed out. Really a pleasant and welcome gesture and so rare in our hyper-competitive age.
Santa Rosa's usually one of the stronger clubs. Maybe not at all age groups but they usually have a few teams that do very well. I don't know if they do much SoCal travel, though, which might limit their ability to keep their top talent as they get into the olders.
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Great coach and team but I'm suprised you haven't seen the handshake thing before... it's pretty common from my experience.
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| 92admin - September 03rd, 2012 02:25 GMT |
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------ QUOTE from 20sDad, September 01st, 2012 06:06 GMT ------
Great coach and team but I'm suprised you haven't seen the handshake thing before... it's pretty common from my experience.
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I can imagine. Yet this is my second go-around (saw one daughter all the way thru the comp soccer years) and never once did any of her opponents do that after a tournament win.
My younger DD's team is only U10 but we've won a bunch of tourneys and this was the first time I've seen it. I'd like to see more of that kind of sportsmanship. It's good for the kids to see that ultimately it's a game and not some form of proxy tribal warfare where we have to hate the other side after the game.
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| norcalrising - September 03rd, 2012 18:32 GMT |
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Edited by norcalrising on September 03rd, 2012 18:40 GMT
Saw the SRU Thunder over the weekend in the SRU Nike Cup and they steamrolled the competition all the way to a 7-0 thrashing of ARFC 03 to win the tournament. My daughter is a U9 and they played the Santa Rosa Huricanes and got shalacked by them. The Huricanes went on to win the tournament not giving up one goal in the process.
One of the reasons that SRU is so successful is that their Comp teams start at U8 and those teams usually play in the silver or bronze U9 divisions. That gives the team an advantage over alot of clubs once the team is a true U9 club. Several programs in Nor Cal are starting to move in that direction. I know almost all the So Cal teams are developing their teams at an early age. There are some clubs that have U7-U8 academies developing kids but starting at U8 it might be more productive to challenge the team by playing them up.
Thoughts?
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| 92admin - September 03rd, 2012 23:12 GMT |
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I think that's just way too early to start forming competitive soccer teams. You often don't even have an inkling of what a kid's athletic potential is by U7-U8. Some idea of their coordination and speed might be noticeable but it often is not. Often the taller kids appear faster simply because they have larger strides.
I saw U9 "stars" quickly wither against the competition as they advanced to U11. It's just too early to determine whether a kid will have the mental or physical makeup required to be successful later on. And you know how these things go: once the team is picked clubs have a tendency to favor the players already there than to accept newcomers who may or may not have an edge on the "tenured" kids.
I realize that in Europe there are academies that start snapping up kids at 5-6 years old but the academy environment is very different than the club soccer environment. Those academies are established to identify and develop football talent. It's not anything like the "pay to play" system we have in the U.S.
Club soccer is a non-profit organization that nonetheless pays professional coaches a lot of money. If you don't have money, your player will have a hard time securing the training required to advance.
Too early in my opinion. Especially in light of the fact that our talent development system is not suited to develop players that young.
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| 20sDad - September 04th, 2012 16:04 GMT |
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------ QUOTE from norcalrising, September 03rd, 2012 18:32 GMT ------
Saw the SRU Thunder over the weekend in the SRU Nike Cup and they steamrolled the competition all the way to a 7-0 thrashing of ARFC 03 to win the tournament. My daughter is a U9 and they played the Santa Rosa Huricanes and got shalacked by them. The Huricanes went on to win the tournament not giving up one goal in the process.
One of the reasons that SRU is so successful is that their Comp teams start at U8 and those teams usually play in the silver or bronze U9 divisions. That gives the team an advantage over alot of clubs once the team is a true U9 club. Several programs in Nor Cal are starting to move in that direction. I know almost all the So Cal teams are developing their teams at an early age. There are some clubs that have U7-U8 academies developing kids but starting at U8 it might be more productive to challenge the team by playing them up.
Thoughts?
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Interesting theory. SRU has had success with their academy program in recent years but I don’t think they’re doing anything that the majority of other larger clubs aren’t in terms of starting at younger ages. The biggest advantage they have is that they’re not really competing with other local clubs for players at the younger ages right now.
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| Lurker - September 04th, 2012 20:37 GMT |
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There is a very compelling reason for competitive clubs to start up teams at U7/U8... and it's not player development (although that probably happens as a side benefit). Once players/parents make the commitment to play for a club/team, they are usually reluctant to make a change. This is very much the case with younger kids and especially girls. If you lock up all of the talent when the kids are 6 or 7, it will be there (in your club) when the kids get to be a bit older (which competitive soccer has traditionally started). If your club is really a league (e.g., Mustang), and has full recreation and competitive programs, then you don't have to worry as much about doing this. You have control of the pipeline and can provide programs that are targeted at player development (the academy approach) for the younger kids with potential. For those clubs that are very close to other competitive clubs, the battle is over bodies (kids) and getting them to commit to your club at an earlier age means they will not commit to your competition later. Yes, there comes a time when players (parents) start looking outwards to other clubs and opportunities. That usually doesn't happen at U9 through U11 (the formative years).
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| 92admin - September 07th, 2012 16:58 GMT |
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------ QUOTE from Lurker, September 04th, 2012 20:37 GMT ------
Once players/parents make the commitment to play for a club/team, they are usually reluctant to make a change. This is very much the case with younger kids and especially girls. If you lock up all of the talent when the kids are 6 or 7, it will be there (in your club) when the kids get to be a bit older (which competitive soccer has traditionally started).
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That wasn't our experience at all. There is a lot of player movement as the kids get older. Either by voluntarily leaving a club (for another club or just leaving the sport) or by being cut most teams have a large amount of turnover.
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| Lurker - September 07th, 2012 17:12 GMT |
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------ QUOTE from 92admin, September 07th, 2012 16:58 GMT ------
------ QUOTE from Lurker, September 04th, 2012 20:37 GMT ------
Once players/parents make the commitment to play for a club/team, they are usually reluctant to make a change. This is very much the case with younger kids and especially girls. If you lock up all of the talent when the kids are 6 or 7, it will be there (in your club) when the kids get to be a bit older (which competitive soccer has traditionally started).
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That wasn't our experience at all. There is a lot of player movement as the kids get older. Either by voluntarily leaving a club (for another club or just leaving the sport) or by being cut most teams have a large amount of turnover.
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Understood... but I was not so much talking about the players that would leave your team as the ones you want to leave other teams to come to yours (because they are better/have more potential than the ones you currently have). It may depend on the club and the area you are from. Some areas have competitive clubs very close together and there is a constant battle to lock the best players up early (so that hopefully they stay with your team and don't join a team from a nearby competitive club). Typically you find this happening in CYSA leagues that are made up of multiple competitive soccer clubs... For large, single entity leagues (best example of this is Mustang), there is not as much pressure on the local population regarding which club they start (and stay) with.
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