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Hooked002 December 20th, 2012 21:43 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: soccerwest, December 20th, 2012 19:41  GMT
SO now we have PDP ECNL, Nor cal PDP and ODP.  Geez do we have enough?

I dislike multiple unconnected gaming leagues, but I don't mind multiple unconnected training/identifcation programs.  In my mind, the more opportunities to be identified, the more opportunities to be trained outside one's team/club, and the more opportunities to play with and against players from outside one's immediate area, the better.
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20sDad December 21st, 2012 05:00 GMT Print this post
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PDP/ID2 are essentially the same programs as theoretically one leads into the other.  

I think you'll see ODP start to die off beginning with the 98 age group, at least here in NorCal.
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soccerwest December 21st, 2012 06:47 GMT Print this post
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I don't think they will die off completely....there were a good number of girls there.  There are plenty of parents that will pay the money for exposure.  

I noticed all of the Mustang, De Anza and Santa rosa girls went the state PDP  route.    

Besides PDP training who do they play on a state level?
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20sDad December 21st, 2012 23:00 GMT Print this post
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This message was edited by 20sDad on December 21st, 2012 23:01 GMT

Iím kind of hesitant to say this at the risk of offending anyone but the only kids 98 and below that Iím aware of that do ODP are ones that arenít at the highest level and whose parents are hedging their bets.  I could be wrong but thatís just my perception based on what Iíve seen.  The top kids starting at 98 are going the PDP/ID2 route as well as direct invitations to NTC trainings and actual YNT camps.  

Clubs like Mustang, DeAnza, SRU, etc. are all pretty much US Club and focus primarily on their programs by now.

As far as what the PDP state team does, the Vegas tournament is the only time Iím aware of that the 98 pool has actually played as a team.  PDP put together a team from the pool of players and entered the tournament in the same fashion any other club team would.  NorCal PDP is a relatively new program but its growing and improving quickly.  The evolution of the program of the last couple of years has been pretty impressive IMO.  Adding to this, ECNL has their own built in identification program.  

I donít see many parents of top players willing to pay for ODP when there are other free programs offering better opportunities IMO.

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Toneib December 21st, 2012 23:17 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: 20sDad, December 21st, 2012 23:00  GMT
Iím kind of hesitant to say this at the risk of offending anyone but the only kids 98 and below that Iím aware of that do ODP are ones that arenít at the highest level and whose parents are hedging their bets.  I could be wrong but thatís just my perception based on what Iíve seen.  The top kids starting at 98 are going the PDP/ID2 route as well as direct invitations to NTC trainings and actual YNT camps.  

Clubs like Mustang, DeAnza, SRU, etc. are all pretty much US Club and focus primarily on their programs by now.

As far as what the PDP state team does, the Vegas tournament is the only time Iím aware of that the 98 pool has actually played as a team.  PDP put together a team from the pool of players and entered the tournament in the same fashion any other club team would.  NorCal PDP is a relatively new program but its growing and improving quickly.  The evolution of the program of the last couple of years has been pretty impressive IMO.  Adding to this, ECNL has their own built in identification program.  

I donít see many parents of top players willing to pay for ODP when there are other free programs offering better opportunities IMO.


I agree with 20sDad. ECNL and US Club teams seem to prefer the PDP route. Also, ECNL events become showcases and a way to be ID'd as well.

ODP has been trying to compete (and even changing their requirements, i.e. recommendation only) with PDP. It seems to be fighting a losing battle in NorCal and may end up like the dinosaurs.
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Toneib December 22nd, 2012 00:20 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: 20sDad, December 21st, 2012 23:00  GMT
As far as what the PDP state team does, the Vegas tournament is the only time Iím aware of that the 98 pool has actually played as a team.  PDP put together a team from the pool of players and entered the tournament in the same fashion any other club team would.


What is the team name the PDP is playing under. Would love to see the results!
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20sDad December 23rd, 2012 03:34 GMT Print this post
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This message was edited by 20sDad on December 23rd, 2012 03:36 GMT

http://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=25691&Group=Girls_16
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eastbaysoccer December 23rd, 2012 03:35 GMT Print this post
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Nor cal PDP has their act together when it comes to the regional level.  However I'm not sure taking a PDP state team and playing in a regular tournament in Vegas is equivalent to playing at an ODP sub regional event against other states.  Are their plans to play against other PDP state teams?  

ALso do you think this program will be free for long term?  At some point you will have to pay for good coaching.

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20sDad December 23rd, 2012 03:48 GMT Print this post
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Tell you what... you go with ODP and I'll stick with PDP and we can compare opportunities gained, and money spent, in a couple of years.
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Toneib December 23rd, 2012 05:11 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: 20sDad, December 23rd, 2012 03:34  GMT
http://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=25691&Group=Girls_1 6


Thanks and good luck! True U13/14s playing U16 will be challenging. Size differences between the two are huge! But I bet you will represent NorCal pretty well!  

Can you give us the soccer age breakdown of the team?
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