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Norcal9 February 01st, 2013 00:36 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: wdrkb, February 01st, 2013 00:27  GMT
Time for me to ramble on and on and on.


If I understand this correctly, if your kid does not play for an ECNL club, she more likely than not can kiss a college scholarship to a D-1 school goodbye.  

Based on my experience, I have a hard time buying that.  I'm not saying it isn't true, it just seems backwards from other sports.  I know college football recruiting very well.  I also know mens and womens basketball recruiting, but not nearly as well as football.  In both sports, the coaches know who every talented kid is, regardless of where they live or what club/high-school they play at.  Looking at the ENCL map, yes they cover most of the big cities, but there are tons of gaps in areas where youth soccer is huge (Southwest Texas, Oregon, Southwest Florida). There is no way, football or basketball would sacrifice large groups of potential recruits simply because they don't play for a specific club in a specific league.  Take AAU Basketball for example.  There are literally 100s of AAU teams.  We have at least 8 in Elk Grove alone.  College coaches know they exist.  They don't say "well I don't care about that AAU team because it isn't associated with a particular league.'  

I know some of this has to do with popularity and economics.  I know soccer resources are very limited at the college level.  But the existence of talent usually spreads by word of mouth (now the internet), not because of a particular league.  In football and basketball, coaches who automatically assume a kid will be successful simply because he went to a certain high school may succeed, but he won't be the best.  The best will be the coach who looks under every rock.  Any thoughts?


I'm assuming on ecnl your getting A LOT more exposure to college coaches.  Not necessarily is it the only avenue for a scholarship.   ECNL is fairly new I think therefore using the hype of getting the looks is enticing to most!  I still think ODP, PDP and any other _DP will get your dd looks.  Camps are another way to catch a coaches eye!
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Porthos February 01st, 2013 00:43 GMT Print this post
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wdrkb - ECNL clubs would like to make you believe that ECNL is the only way.  In reality, it's not.  But man they sure are selling that idea!!  Could it possibly be years from now? Perhaps. But for now (and most likely for many years to come), that isn't the case.  College coaches show up to the top tournaments and seek out the top talent.  And believe me, they know that ECNL is not the end all.  Look at the number of teams that are at the Las Vegas Players Showcase in March and hundreds of coaches.  Look at Surf - both summer and thanksgiving.  Most of the teams were not from ECNL clubs and hundreds of coaches were watching.
The reality is this.  If your daughter is that good and continues to improve as she ages and continues to work on her craft, she will have opportunities.  
What I'd look for at U14 is: a good coach that can continue guiding and helping her improve and pushes her as she pushes herself; a team with girls that she'll enjoy playing with and get competition from during practice; a club that is stable and has the pull to get into good tournaments (and NO... ECNL clubs aren't the only ones).  And most importantly - her grades are 100 times more important than the club she is with... so make sure that school is #1.
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drock1331 February 01st, 2013 00:46 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: Porthos, February 01st, 2013 00:43  GMT
wdrkb - ECNL clubs would like to make you believe that ECNL is the only way.  In reality, it's not.  But man they sure are selling that idea!!  Could it possibly be years from now? Perhaps. But for now (and most likely for many years to come), that isn't the case.  College coaches show up to the top tournaments and seek out the top talent.  And believe me, they know that ECNL is not the end all.  Look at the number of teams that are at the Las Vegas Players Showcase in March and hundreds of coaches.  Look at Surf - both summer and thanksgiving.  Most of the teams were not from ECNL clubs and hundreds of coaches were watching.
The reality is this.  If your daughter is that good and continues to improve as she ages and continues to work on her craft, she will have opportunities.  
What I'd look for at U14 is: a good coach that can continue guiding and helping her improve and pushes her as she pushes herself; a team with girls that she'll enjoy playing with and get competition from during practice; a club that is stable and has the pull to get into good tournaments (and NO... ECNL clubs aren't the only ones).  And most importantly - her grades are 100 times more important than the club she is with... so make sure that school is #1.


This, this, so much this.


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20sDad February 01st, 2013 00:55 GMT Print this post
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We might as well dispense of the notion that ECNL is the only way to get exposure to college coaches.  Everyone knows that is not true.  That said, it would be disingenuous if we didnít acknowledge that it as one of the best current ways to get exposure in mass.  Where else are you going to get college coaches at league games?  Also, the media exposure for ECNL is very good.  Look at websites like Top Drawer and ESPN, both of which dedicate the majority of their female soccer youth soccer content to ECNL teams and players.  Iím not sure what the tangible value of that is but it definitely gets the playersí names out there.

Again though, itís the effect that ECNL has had on the competitive landscape of Northern California that influenced Santa Rosaís decision to join.  Like it or not, ECNL will have the highest concentration of top tier teams in the state.  Thatís not to say that a Newcastle canít or wonít continue to be competitive with these teams but not being able to play the best teams in the area will hurt.  

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wdrkb February 01st, 2013 05:04 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: 20sDad, February 01st, 2013 00:55  GMT
We might as well dispense of the notion that ECNL is the only way to get exposure to college coaches.  Everyone knows that is not true.  That said, it would be disingenuous if we didnít acknowledge that it as one of the best current ways to get exposure in mass.  Where else are you going to get college coaches at league games?  Also, the media exposure for ECNL is very good.  Look at websites like Top Drawer and ESPN, both of which dedicate the majority of their female soccer youth soccer content to ECNL teams and players.  Iím not sure what the tangible value of that is but it definitely gets the playersí names out there.

Again though, itís the effect that ECNL has had on the competitive landscape of Northern California that influenced Santa Rosaís decision to join.  Like it or not, ECNL will have the highest concentration of top tier teams in the state.  Thatís not to say that a Newcastle canít or wonít continue to be competitive with these teams but not being able to play the best teams in the area will hurt.  


That's good to know.  I want to make it clear that I am not knocking ECNL.  I just want more information, good or bad, especially from those who have experience with it.   And like Porthos said, grades are always Number 1.  
The rules of soccer are very simple, basically it is this:  if it moves, kick it.  If it doesn't move, kick it until it does.  ~Phil Woosnam, 1974

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wdrkb February 01st, 2013 05:05 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: Porthos, February 01st, 2013 00:43  GMT
wdrkb - ECNL clubs would like to make you believe that ECNL is the only way.  In reality, it's not.  But man they sure are selling that idea!!  Could it possibly be years from now? Perhaps. But for now (and most likely for many years to come), that isn't the case.  College coaches show up to the top tournaments and seek out the top talent.  And believe me, they know that ECNL is not the end all.  Look at the number of teams that are at the Las Vegas Players Showcase in March and hundreds of coaches.  Look at Surf - both summer and thanksgiving.  Most of the teams were not from ECNL clubs and hundreds of coaches were watching.
The reality is this.  If your daughter is that good and continues to improve as she ages and continues to work on her craft, she will have opportunities.  
What I'd look for at U14 is: a good coach that can continue guiding and helping her improve and pushes her as she pushes herself; a team with girls that she'll enjoy playing with and get competition from during practice; a club that is stable and has the pull to get into good tournaments (and NO... ECNL clubs aren't the only ones).  And most importantly - her grades are 100 times more important than the club she is with... so make sure that school is #1.


Good points.
The rules of soccer are very simple, basically it is this:  if it moves, kick it.  If it doesn't move, kick it until it does.  ~Phil Woosnam, 1974

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wil4pres February 01st, 2013 05:23 GMT Print this post
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call it whatever you want NPL, ECNL, PDP, ID2, ODP, NTC, National Camps, ID Camps, etc etc etc the list is endless.

If you player has the talent or that something that is needed at the next level, i believe you will be fine!

ECNL is a league and if you are at the bottom of the league you will NOT see any scouts at your league games, you will not be in the top flight at the regional meetings, just like being in the 3rd tier of a tournament.  If you are top of the bracket in the top flight of ANYTHING you will get noticed.

Just focus on YOUR player and let them decide how much work/reward they are going to achieve.


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wdrkb February 01st, 2013 05:29 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: wil4pres, February 01st, 2013 05:23  GMT
call it whatever you want NPL, ECNL, PDP, ID2, ODP, NTC, National Camps, ID Camps, etc etc etc the list is endless.

If you player has the talent or that something that is needed at the next level, i believe you will be fine!

ECNL is a league and if you are at the bottom of the league you will NOT see any scouts at your league games, you will not be in the top flight at the regional meetings, just like being in the 3rd tier of a tournament.  If you are top of the bracket in the top flight of ANYTHING you will get noticed.

Just focus on YOUR player and let them decide how much work/reward they are going to achieve.



Makes sense.  
The rules of soccer are very simple, basically it is this:  if it moves, kick it.  If it doesn't move, kick it until it does.  ~Phil Woosnam, 1974

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20sDad February 01st, 2013 05:46 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: wil4pres, February 01st, 2013 05:23  GMT
ECNL is a league and if you are at the bottom of the league you will NOT see any scouts at your league games, you will not be in the top flight at the regional meetings, just like being in the 3rd tier of a tournament.  If you are top of the bracket in the top flight of ANYTHING you will get noticed.


I think you're stretching it a bit here.  College coaches aren't going to be attending NPL league games.  Conversely, they were at the league games between Santa Rosa and their Washington ECNL counterparts a couple of weeks ago which did, in fact, include a couple of last place teams.  I'm not trying to sell anyone on ECNL here but comparing it to NPL from any perspective isn't realistic.
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D6SoccerD&C February 01st, 2013 07:08 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: wil4pres, February 01st, 2013 05:23  GMT
call it whatever you want NPL, ECNL, PDP, ID2, ODP, NTC, National Camps, ID Camps, etc etc etc the list is endless.

If you player has the talent or that something that is needed at the next level, i believe you will be fine!

ECNL is a league and if you are at the bottom of the league you will NOT see any scouts at your league games, you will not be in the top flight at the regional meetings, just like being in the 3rd tier of a tournament.  If you are top of the bracket in the top flight of ANYTHING you will get noticed.

Just focus on YOUR player and let them decide how much work/reward they are going to achieve.



I don't think they promote that a lot of the scouting is done at the league level. I believe it is at the ECNL events.
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