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Toneib January 31st, 2013 04:27 GMT Print this post
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Time to start an ECNL thread.
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8isGreat January 31st, 2013 14:41 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: Toneib, January 31st, 2013 04:27  GMT
Time to start an ECNL thread.


How do we parents from non-ECNL clubs get our girls a tryout at an ECNL club? Any limits on out-of-area players at any of your clubs? How about costs? Any ballpark figures to share? Worried about the level of competition next year if the talent from our foes from SRU, Mustang, San Juan, etc. leave our Norcal leagues...

Thanks in advance...
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TJSoccer January 31st, 2013 16:58 GMT Print this post
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I'm really curious about the economics of ECNL.  The league has several corporate sponsors (Nike/Mia Hamm "The challenge").  Member clubs are also getting sponsored (SJSC has Microsoft).  Is that money being used to defer player costs for travel, jerseys and accessories, and fees?   It seems like the league is marketable to corporate sponsors.  I'm not sure how far down the money flows, though.
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soccerrulesmyworld January 31st, 2013 17:34 GMT Print this post
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You raise some good points 8 is great. The level of competition will drop considerably and now the STATE 1-8 championship will lose it luster, it's prestige, it's shine! Let's look at it.... 5 out of the tope 8 teams in this years quarter finals will be ECNAL. SRU, DeAnza, San Juan, MVLA and Mustang will probably be out of many of those classic tournaments like Mustang in August, Placer in October and Davis Tourneys. Some players will be moving to ECNL teams from non-ECNL teams. I also agree that I wouldn't mind looking into some of these ECNL teams as an option for my daughter. If my daughter has the skill to play on one of these teams why wouldn't I want her to play with a team that has a skill level that is high so her skills can grow. I would rather pay a bit more to have my daugther get better than to pay for her to be on a team that is not going to challenger her skill level. "I'm just sayin"
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drock1331 January 31st, 2013 17:52 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: soccerrulesmyworld, January 31st, 2013 17:34  GMT
I would rather pay a bit more to have my daugther get better than to pay for her to be on a team that is not going to challenger her skill level. "I'm just sayin"


But do enough parents feel this same way to drastically alter the landscape of the 99/00s?

It would be curious to look at the 98/99's and see the turnover from a non-ECNL team that becomes ECNL upon arriving in the U-14 age group. See how many new players they picked up.
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eastbaysoccer January 31st, 2013 18:01 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: 8isGreat, January 31st, 2013 14:41  GMT

Quoted from: Toneib, January 31st, 2013 04:27  GMT
Time to start an ECNL thread.


How do we parents from non-ECNL clubs get our girls a tryout at an ECNL club? Any limits on out-of-area players at any of your clubs? How about costs? Any ballpark figures to share? Worried about the level of competition next year if the talent from our foes from SRU, Mustang, San Juan, etc. leave our Norcal leagues...

Thanks in advance...


At U14, 6000 dollars for us which includes training fees and travel. Can't speak for many of the clubs but RAGE has no border policy and is not shy about sending their residents to the 2nd team.   Mustang used to have a strict border policy but opened  it for u14.  

I would be curious to know how the sponsorship helps the San Juan program.  Lucky for them if they don't have to pay a cent.
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eastbaysoccer January 31st, 2013 18:15 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: drock1331, January 31st, 2013 17:52  GMT

Quoted from: soccerrulesmyworld, January 31st, 2013 17:34  GMT
I would rather pay a bit more to have my daugther get better than to pay for her to be on a team that is not going to challenger her skill level. "I'm just sayin"


But do enough parents feel this same way to drastically alter the landscape of the 99/00s?

It would be curious to look at the 98/99's and see the turnover from a non-ECNL team that becomes ECNL upon arriving in the U-14 age group. See how many new players they picked up.


This year the landscape will be altered greatly.  We are talking about 5 teams that have joined/or merged with the ECNL.   Already this has been by far the most movement I have seen at u14 level.  Tryouts haven't even started yet!



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Norcal9 January 31st, 2013 23:05 GMT Print this post
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This message was edited by Norcal9 on January 31st, 2013 23:07 GMT


Quoted from: eastbaysoccer, January 31st, 2013 18:01  GMT

Quoted from: 8isGreat, January 31st, 2013 14:41  GMT

Quoted from: Toneib, January 31st, 2013 04:27  GMT
Time to start an ECNL thread.


How do we parents from non-ECNL clubs get our girls a tryout at an ECNL club? Any limits on out-of-area players at any of your clubs? How about costs? Any ballpark figures to share? Worried about the level of competition next year if the talent from our foes from SRU, Mustang, San Juan, etc. leave our Norcal leagues...

Thanks in advance...


At U14, 6000 dollars for us which includes training fees and travel. Can't speak for many of the clubs but RAGE has no border policy and is not shy about sending their residents to the 2nd team.   Mustang used to have a strict border policy but opened  it for u14.  

I would be curious to know how the sponsorship helps the San Juan program.  Lucky for them if they don't have to pay a cent.


So the question is: what does everyone pay now on a non encl team? Manteca: approx 1300/yr for training, fields, refs and tournaments. Throw another 1000 in there for traveling. I feel like that is cheap? How does it compare to other clubs... Davis, placer, Barcelona, rays?  
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drock1331 January 31st, 2013 23:57 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: Norcal9, January 31st, 2013 23:05  GMT

Quoted from: eastbaysoccer, January 31st, 2013 18:01  GMT

Quoted from: 8isGreat, January 31st, 2013 14:41  GMT

Quoted from: Toneib, January 31st, 2013 04:27  GMT
Time to start an ECNL thread.


How do we parents from non-ECNL clubs get our girls a tryout at an ECNL club? Any limits on out-of-area players at any of your clubs? How about costs? Any ballpark figures to share? Worried about the level of competition next year if the talent from our foes from SRU, Mustang, San Juan, etc. leave our Norcal leagues...

Thanks in advance...


At U14, 6000 dollars for us which includes training fees and travel. Can't speak for many of the clubs but RAGE has no border policy and is not shy about sending their residents to the 2nd team.   Mustang used to have a strict border policy but opened  it for u14.  

I would be curious to know how the sponsorship helps the San Juan program.  Lucky for them if they don't have to pay a cent.


So the question is: what does everyone pay now on a non encl team? Manteca: approx 1300/yr for training, fields, refs and tournaments. Throw another 1000 in there for traveling. I feel like that is cheap? How does it compare to other clubs... Davis, placer, Barcelona, rays?  


Manteca certainly is cheaper than those clubs.
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wdrkb February 01st, 2013 00:27 GMT Print this post
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Time for me to ramble on and on and on.


If I understand this correctly, if your kid does not play for an ECNL club, she more likely than not can kiss a college scholarship to a D-1 school goodbye.  

Based on my experience, I have a hard time buying that.  I'm not saying it isn't true, it just seems backwards from other sports.  I know college football recruiting very well.  I also know mens and womens basketball recruiting, but not nearly as well as football.  In both sports, the coaches know who every talented kid is, regardless of where they live or what club/high-school they play at.  Looking at the ENCL map, yes they cover most of the big cities, but there are tons of gaps in areas where youth soccer is huge (Southwest Texas, Oregon, Southwest Florida). There is no way, football or basketball would sacrifice large groups of potential recruits simply because they don't play for a specific club in a specific league.  Take AAU Basketball for example.  There are literally 100s of AAU teams.  We have at least 8 in Elk Grove alone.  College coaches know they exist.  They don't say "well I don't care about that AAU team because it isn't associated with a particular league.'  

I know some of this has to do with popularity and economics.  I know soccer resources are very limited at the college level.  But the existence of talent usually spreads by word of mouth (now the internet), not because of a particular league.  In football and basketball, coaches who automatically assume a kid will be successful simply because he went to a certain high school may succeed, but he won't be the best.  The best will be the coach who looks under every rock.  Any thoughts?
The rules of soccer are very simple, basically it is this:  if it moves, kick it.  If it doesn't move, kick it until it does.  ~Phil Woosnam, 1974

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