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KeeperDad - February 14th, 2013 03:58 GMT




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KeeperDad: Write that book! I think it's a resource parents would flock to. Youth Soccer is big time and I'm sure you would have a lot of readers.
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Maybe someday!  

My daughter said we should take the original tips we shared, expand on them, and then have her write some content that gives her perspective on each of the areas - what she was feeling during various parts of the process, how she didn't like to make phone calls, etc.

And since we only share our own perspective (and we came at the process with a different approach than most families), I've thought about interviewing players, parents, and coaches and asking each one the same questions and then just putting their answers in the book.

Again, maybe someday.
20sDad - February 14th, 2013 04:40 GMT


I'm curious about the rules surrounding "unofficial" visits.  How much interaction can the potential student have with the team and coaching staff?  Are there restrictions on what can be discussed?
Hooked002 - February 14th, 2013 05:37 GMT


All my comments below are with regard to Division 1.



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I'm curious about the rules surrounding "unofficial" visits. 
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There are a few, but not nearly as many as for official visits.  For example, there is no time limit on an unofficial vist, while there is a 48-hour limit on offical visits.  For another example, you can do as many unlimited visits individually and collectively as you want, while you can only do 5 official visits and cannot officially visit the same school more than once.  The school can provide up to 3 general admissions (via a pass line) to home sporting events.  The school can provide transportation to watch a practice or to the home sporting event, but cannot provide parking or transportation to or from airport or hotel.



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  How much interaction can the potential student have with the team and coaching staff?
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Pretty much unlimited, but you can't practice with the team or workout for the coaches/team or sit on the bench during a game.  For example, you can sleep in the dorms with the team, provided you pay whatever is the per diem rate for that.  Similarly, as long as you pay the cost, you can eat with the team and/or players that are on an official visit.  You can have a team player act as a host for your visit.  The key is that you pay for everything you do or get.



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Are there restrictions on what can be discussed?
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The coaches have the usual legal restriction on discussing academic and health issues regarding students, but that's about it.  Also, they can arrange academic interviews for you.
92admin - February 14th, 2013 06:44 GMT




------ QUOTE from  20sDad, February 14th, 2013 04:40  GMT ------
I'm curious about the rules surrounding "unofficial" visits.  How much interaction can the potential student have with the team and coaching staff?  Are there restrictions on what can be discussed? 
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Great responses from Hooked002. Not much to add other than the one topic that was most important to us during our unofficial visits: scholarship money. I realize it might seem like a sensitive topic, but at least on one level, you are conducting a business transaction. If you seek a scholarship, don't be afraid to talk money at some point during the visit. There are tactful ways to bring it up but it's essential that you get on the same page as the coach. 

In addition, it gives you a good sense of the coach's interest in your player. If it appears the coach is interested, the main thing you want to communicate is what you will need to make this happen. This is where having those good grades is so important. If your player has a good academic record, her options are wide open and coaches understand this if they know her GPA. 

The conversation you have on this topic can be very revealing. The responses you receive might be exactly what you wanted to hear or they might be a little humbling but they do establish a clear understanding of what you want and what they think your child's value is to their team.
92admin - February 14th, 2013 06:59 GMT




------ QUOTE from  TJSoccer, February 14th, 2013 01:34  GMT ------
If a kid is on an ECNL team and gives a verbal prior to their senior year, then why wouldn't the parent remove them from the ECNL team?  Certainly their college coach doesn't want them tempted at the showcase events.  And the parents wouldn't want to shell out anymore money than necessary.  Why not move to another club and avoid the travel and the cost? 
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The simple answer is this: Competition. If your child played in an ECNL league, the competition was most likely superior to what you would get elsewhere. You want her playing at a high level all the way up to the day she reports for college ball. It's a fairly significant leap and she won't be prepared if she isn't playing tough competition all the way through.

As for being tempted at showcase events, two things: 1) teams usually issue a pamphlet to coaches that shows which players are already committed and to which university so this precludes that temptation, and 2) most coaches expect that if you have committed to them, temptation is not an issue. Do de-commits happen? Sure, but they expect you to honor your agreement until you give them reason to believe otherwise.
soccerwest - February 14th, 2013 17:19 GMT


When the verbal is made is scholarship money discussed?  I 'd like to think money is certainly a factor when deciding on which college to attend. 
Hooked002 - February 14th, 2013 19:01 GMT
Edited by Hooked002 on February 14th, 2013 19:01 GMT



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When the verbal is made is scholarship money discussed?
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Absolutely.  Also likely going to have talked about the position(s) the coach sees you playing on the field and generally the playing time the coach expects you to get.  Of course, you don't have to discuss any of those things, but it would be odd to verbal without both sides having the same expectations in terms of those issues.  Determining which situation amounts to the "best deal" for a player probably involves those variables as well as the academic opportunities and demands.
TJSoccer - February 18th, 2013 18:10 GMT


I'm not sure if this is a discrepancy, or if I just don't understand how it all works.  On SJSC's website, they list 16 "Letter of Intent Seniors" in one spot, and then the "25 Seniors who signed their Letters of Intent on National Signing Day" in another spot.  The 25 signers were referenced in a Fox 40 report.  25 seems like a high number to me, but I'm just starting to follow this stuff so I'm not sure. 

If there are two 95 "A" teams (Boys and Girls), then, with 25 signing, pretty much every starter signed.  Maybe there are some seniors in the 96 team as well, but 25 seems high.  Maybe the other 9 are signing for different sports.  Anyone have any insight?   
Hooked002 - February 18th, 2013 19:42 GMT


Counting both boys and girls, 25 is not a high number in general, especially for a club with both ECNL and Development Academy.  Take for example, PDA (NJ).  They had 31 boys sign this month from both their DA and non-DA team.  They haven't posted how many girls signed, but they are Soccer America's #1 club nationally on the girls side and have more than 30 known verbals in the Class of 2013.  So, PDA could wind up north of 60 signees from the Class of 2013.  That's what I would consider a high number.
TJSoccer - February 18th, 2013 22:55 GMT




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Counting both boys and girls, 25 is not a high number in general, especially for a club with both ECNL and Development Academy.  Take for example, PDA (NJ).  They had 31 boys sign this month from both their DA and non-DA team.  They haven't posted how many girls signed, but they are Soccer America's #1 club nationally on the girls side and have more than 30 known verbals in the Class of 2013.  So, PDA could wind up north of 60 signees from the Class of 2013.  That's what I would consider a high number.
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Wow, thanks for the info.  I had no idea one club could produce so many. 
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