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20sDad	October 06^th, 2012 03:41 GMT

Topics: 6 Replies: 1246 Post: #51801 PT: #21/44	I dispute your always statement. I'll also add that packing it in and playing not to lose is lame and doesn't count as defense. It's actually kind of lazy on the coach's part.

Hooked002	October 06^th, 2012 05:53 GMT

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This message was edited by Hooked002 on October 06^th, 2012 05:54 GMT

There's stuff that I believe to be lame, but I'm actually glad that an opponent does it because how else does a player learn to deal with it? Ideally, one hopes to see every kind of defense and every kind of attack and every style of play, etc. One of the joys of youth soccer is watching players successful adjust to dealing with some aspect of the game that they've never encountered before.

mtnlady	October 06^th, 2012 14:04 GMT

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Quoted from: 20sDad, October 06^th, 2012 03:41 GMT

I dispute your always statement.

I'll also add that packing it in and playing not to lose is lame and doesn't count as defense. It's actually kind of lazy on the coach's part.

Of course if a team is way overmatched by another what other choice does the coach have to keep the game close? Play 'straight up' and lose 10-1 or drop, compact your formation and play counter attack. All are valid styles of play however I agree it isn't fun when teams play that way against you. But as hooked says they are all part of the game and you need to learn to adjust - both players and coaches alike.

20sDad	October 06^th, 2012 22:01 GMT

Topics: 6 Replies: 1246 Post: #51804 PT: #24/44	Of course, by doing so a coach forfeits any claim that he/she values development over winning. It really doesn't take much effort or talent to play that way.

mtnlady	October 07^th, 2012 15:05 GMT

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This message was edited by mtnlady on October 07^th, 2012 15:06 GMT

Quoted from: 20sDad, October 06^th, 2012 22:01 GMT

Of course, by doing so a coach forfeits any claim that he/she values development over winning. It really doesn't take much effort or talent to play that way.

Your assuming all of their games are that way. Usually teams are correctly seeded so they only get one or two of these games a season. Learning to play a compact defensive game and try to score on counter attacks is a good learning experience too. Your complaint I believe has little to do with development but simply because it's uncomfortable to play against drawn back defenses. Uncomfortable and 'not fun' don't necessarly equate to "no development".

On the flip side winning (or losing) a game 10-1 probably didn't have too many development opportunties for either team either. Bottom line? When drastically different level teams meet up tactics need to change - usually on both sides of the fence. That in itself is a good learning experience for the players.

20sDad	October 07^th, 2012 17:24 GMT

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You're assuming that I am referring strictly to over-matched state cup prelimiinary matches. Many teams, even so called top level teams, use this strategy as a base style of play. Even moreso with the Southern California teams in my experience. It's also not a complaint so much as an observation related to your statemet that defense (GKing specifically) is more valuable than the ability to create goals, which was the original point.

To the development point, I'm not concerned in relation to my own daughter's team.

eastbaysoccer	October 07^th, 2012 20:40 GMT

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This message was edited by eastbaysoccer on October 07^th, 2012 20:45 GMT

IMO defense is most important. Offense makes for a pleasurable watch.

I don't beleieve you can win a championship with a good offense and mediocre defense....but you can with a good defense and mediocre offense.

A good defense can hold a good offense at bay, draw them in and counter attack. Boring but effective.

Now which U13 teams have good defenses?

20sDad	October 07^th, 2012 23:42 GMT

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I think defense is more of a fluid concept with soccer than other sports due to the frequency of possession change. Every player on the team becomes a defender the minute possession is lost so, in that essence, defense is inseparable from offense.

The discussion was about positions, or rather the importance of the skillset certain positions require. A player that can score or facilitate is infinitely more valuable and harder to come by than any other position including GK’s. A good attacking player must be a good defender, but a good defender doesn’t have to possess attacking skills. Not to oversimplify, but you HAVE to score to win.

mtnlady	October 08^th, 2012 16:04 GMT

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This message was edited by mtnlady on October 08^th, 2012 16:07 GMT

Quoted from: 20sDad, October 07^th, 2012 23:42 GMT

Not to oversimplify, but you HAVE to score to win.

True, and I agree a great attacking personality is harder to develop than a great defensive personality. By that I mean someone that not only plays great 1v1 defense but plays great defense with a group of other players. For example a great center fullback / sweeper who runs and controls her back line or a great defensive mid that help coordinate the defensive movement and shape of the midfield.

As to your statement about scoring to win I agree. But you have to keep the balls out of your own net to not lose.

eastbaysoccer	October 08^th, 2012 16:54 GMT

Topics: 55 Replies: 791 Post: #51812 PT: #30/44	Noticed SRU and Rage had a rough outing in ECNL up in WA. Did SRU lose some girls on that ICE team? I thought they were much better than that. RAGE U14 is going to be lucky to win more than 2 games this year. Next up MVLA, Mustang Magic and then the dream team De Anza bunch.

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